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	Ordnance QF 17 pounder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		In the anti-tank role it was replaced by the 120 mm BAT recoilless rifle after the war.
		As a tank gun it was succeeded by the 20 pounder.
		The 17 pounder anti-tank guns saw action in Korea, not only against tanks but in general support use against bunker positions.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Ordnance_QF_17_pounder (1038 words)

	QF 25 pounder - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		The last use of the 25 pounder in combat was during the Battle of Mirbat in 1972 in Oman.
		The basic idea was to build a single weapon with the direct-fire capability of the 18 pounder with the high-angle fire of the howitzer, firing a shell about half way between the two in size, around 3.5 to 4 in (90 to 100 mm) of about 30 pounds (14 kg).
		The 25 pounder was the main field artillery gun used by British Commonwealth infantry divisions during the Second World War.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/QF_25_pounder (1512 words)

	Centurion tank - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		The Christie suspension with internal vertical spring coils was replaced by a Horstmann suspension with external horizontal springs.
		The hull was redesigned with welded sloped armour, and featured a partially cast turret mounting the highly regarded 17 pounder main gun and a 20 mm Polsten cannon.
		The 20 pounder was used only for a short time before the Royal Ordnance Factories introduced the now famous 105 mm L7 gun.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Centurion_tank (1401 words)

	BBC - WW2 People's War - Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot
		The earliest account for 17 Pounder (76.2mm) APDS that I have found seems to be in October 1944 and possibly not for the Firefly but only for Royal Artillery Anti-Tank Regiments.
		The infantry were luckier in that they kept their 6 Pounder Anti-tank guns and by mid June 1944 I understand that they may have recieved some APDS rounds to use.
		The 109mm penetration for the 17 pdr at 500 yards is for uncapped AP shot from the sources I have; to the best of my knowledge APCR was never produced for this gun, though you never know.
	www.bbc.co.uk /ww2peopleswar/stories/06/a2187506.shtml (1630 words)

	WW 2 Model Maker-Sam Alderlieste-A Guide to Tracked British 17 Pounders (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		Designed from the start as an high-velocity anti tank gun, during the war the 17 Pounder proved itself to be an outstanding and reliable weapon.
		This was the first attempt to get the 17 pounder gun on tracks, but due production delays the A30 was surpassed by the M4 Sherman 17 pdr variants, which ironically was designed as an ‘back-up’ would the A30 fail to meet it’s potential.
		The first conversion was made on an Sherman V (M4A4), the standard 75mm turret was partially stripped and the 17 pdr was mounted in an new mantled, the radio was mounted on an armoured box on the turret rear.
	www.ww2modelmaker.com /articlepub/SAtrckpdrs.htm (995 words)

	M10AchillesII (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		The only difference with the Achilles II is that it fires a slightly heavier 17 pounder main gun and the chasis is based on the M4A3 instead of the M4A2.
		The 17 pounder, great as it is, can't penetrate the front armor of the heaviest German tanks unless at point blank range.
		The 17 pounder is still effective against most German tanks up to the Tiger I model and the only really tough ones are the Jadpanther, Jadtiger and the Tiger IIs.
	www.wargamer.com /cc2/units/AchillesII.html (595 words)

	The Sentinel
		The AC I was ahead of it'sBritish counter parts in that it was designed to be able to be up gunned from the 2 pounder to the 6 pounder when it became available how ever this gun was needed in the middle east so none were allotted to the AC I project.
		The 25 pounder was intended to be placed in the improved Sentinel to be given the title AC III which also incorporated a smooth glassis plate dispensing with the hull mounted machine gun and gunner.
		By this time the 17 pounder was being produced in Australia and tests were conducted to see if it was practical in mount it in the Sentinel.
	mailer.fsu.edu /~akirk/tanks/aus/TheSentinel.htm (483 words)

	Anti-Tank Platoon (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		The infantry battalion had other anti-tank assets to draw on as well; each rifle platoon was armed with a PIAT (Projector, Infantry, Anti-Tank), and the Divisional Anti-Tank Regiment was armed with 17 pounder guns, both towed and self propelled.
		The 6 pounder was a relatively small gun that could be pushed by its crew when necessary.
		By July 1944, the 6 pounder was proving inadequate against the bulk of German medium and heavy armour; against the frontal armour of heavier tanks like the Tiger or Panther, the 6-pounder was all but useless.
	www.canadiansoldiers.com /organization/antitank.htm (241 words)

	UNITED KINGDOM ARMOR
		This is the Crusader tank modified for use as an armored gun tractor and used with the 17 pounder anti-tank gun.
		The British used the U.S. tank destroyer under the designation Achilles I, this is a version armed with the 17 pounder in place of the 76mm gun originally fitted, the designation C is added to identify this change.
		This is the Achilles II armed with the 17 Pounder in place of the 76mm gun.
	www.geocities.com /area51/comet/6498/t2000ww2britisharmor.html (1668 words)

	British Tanks of World War II (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		First used in North Africa in June 1941, the 6 pounder version was used at El Alamein, but it too was under-armed and few Crusaders were used after the North Africa campaign.
		Introduced prematurely in 1941, the original Churchills were under-armed with the 2 pounder gun and unreliable.
		The tank shown has a 6 pounder gun, but eventually a 75 mm gun, then a 17 pounder was used and reliability problems were solved.
	johnsmilitaryhistory.com /armorbrit.html (245 words)

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		Heorot RE: 17 pounders on Shermans 1/18/2005 8:00:47 AM Shermans were manufactured in the US.
		The 17 pounder was a late developed British gun.
		oldbutnotwise RE: 17 pounders on Shermans 1/18/2005 11:12:26 AM the americans refused the 17pnd at first then tried a 76mm gun developed from a naval gunb before accepting the 17.
	www.strategypage.com /messageboards/messages/2-12348.asp (713 words)

	Origins of 17 pounder (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		According to Hogg's British and American Artillery of WWII the 17 pounder arose from a meeting held at Adelphi House London on 21 November, 1940 to examin a heavier replacemenet fort the 6 Pounder.
		Due to delays in finalizing the design of the carriage and need to have something to counter Tigers, the interim version on a 25 pdr carriage was test fired in Sept 1942 and the first exasmples sent to North Africa later that year.
		During an April, 1943 visit to the UK, Crang provided the Director Royal Artillery, General Eldridge with a simple design fix that would allow the 17 pounder to be mounted in the M10 using the exisitng 3 inch gun's buffer and recuperator.
	www.afvnews.ca /cgi-bin/web-bbs/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/70166 (665 words)

	St. Mary's upsets cold-shooting Cal \| Arizona Daily Star ®
		E.J. Rowland had 17 points and 12 rebounds, and St. Mary's defeated cold-shooting California 61-52 on Friday night in the second round of the Coaches vs. Cancer Classic.
		The Gaels advanced to the semifinals next Thursday at Madison Square Garden against the winner of the Memphis region.
		Freeman, a 6-foot-8-inch, 210-pounder, averaged 17 points as a junior.
	www.azstarnet.com /sn/printDS/47986 (371 words)

	FLAMES OF WAR -- Homebrew Briefings For Speculative And Experimental Tanks
		Because the centurian arrived at the very end of the war, not many were seen.
		The 17 pounder gun has quite poor HE rounds.
		When the 17 pounder fires at an un-armoured vehicle, its firepower rises to 4+.
	www.freewebs.com /oureamonn/briefingspage2.htm (359 words)

	Forgotten Hope 2 News: Forgotten Hope 2 News Update: "In for a 6 pounder" - Mod DB
		The 6-pounder replaced the 2-pounder and allowed the 25-pounder artillerists, who had been filling in the anti-tank role, to revert to their intended function.
		Contemporary enemy tanks were no challenge for the Ordnance QF 6-pounder 7 cwt, but against later, much heavier German designs (Panther, Tiger) the standard 6 pounder shot was insufficient to penetrate the front armour.
		When the 17-pounder gun entered service already in 1943, the smaller and more maneuverable 6 pounder continued to be used by the British Army for some 20 years after the war, and also saw service with US forces.
	news.moddb.com /17308/forgotten-hope-2-forgotten-hope-2-news-u (586 words)

	October 1999 Catfish Reports
		Bob Simmons of Lakeport Tackle had one report of a 20 and a 17 pound channel cat taken at the mouth of Adobe Creek near the County Park with nightcrawlers.
		I was fishing in 16 feet of water and caught the fish on shrimp as well as an 8 pounder also on shrimp.
		I caught the 17 pounder on a live crawdad and the 8 pounder on anchovy.
	www.catfished.com /octc.html (1201 words)

	Gliderborne Assault on D-Day - Glider pilots of D-Day list
		Armoured reconnaissance troops and four 17 pounder guns.
		Second or third Horsa to land by the Orne canal bridge.
		Six pounder gun, jeep and three men AL AT Bty.
	free.prohosting.com /mawey/gliderborne_glidertroops_gliderpilotsofd_daylist.htm (709 words)

	17 pounder - FileFront Gaming Forums (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		I'm thinking that the 17 pounder would be a bit overpowered against the usual German tanks such as the PzIVH.
		The tiger received 10 hits from 6 pounder guns but only two acheived penetration and that was through the side armour.
		It was found that the 6 pounder the most numerous A/T in the British armour could not penetrate the frontal armour unless at point blank range, however the newer 17 pounder did stand a better chance.
	www.gamingforums.com /showthread.php?t=207699 (1737 words)

	September 2000 Catfish Reports
		Bob Higgins of Limit Out Bait and Tackle in Clearlake Oaks (707-998-1006) reports a few large channel cats being taken with live crawdads near Rattlesnake Island and a few including a 17 pounder caught at the mouth of the Clearlake Oaks Keys with anchovies.
		Shrimp was the hot bait and most of the fish were taken in 14 to 16 feet of water.
		The majority of fish have been running from around 8 to 12 pounds with an occasional 16 or 17 pounder.
	www.catfished.com /sep2c.html (1233 words)

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		Now i'm no expert, but i see no reason why the 30 pounder couldn't be fitted in a turret with a tank developed around it.
		The 17 pounder was good, but still not good enough against tigers.
		The 32 pounder really would have given us a much needed egde that i'm sure would have made the battle of Cean a different story...
	www.strategypage.com /messageboards/messages/2-15000.asp (1979 words)

	SHERMAN M4 AND M4A3 17 POUNDER IN US SERVICE NEW INFORMATION
		This suggests that the water/glycol bins could be adapted to take the 17 Pounder ammunition, despite its larger size, compared to the 75mm rounds.
		This letter stated very clearly that 17 Pounder conversions must be on a petrol engined Sherman.
		What if the only available 75mm M4A1's (we know that 76mm T23 turret tanks were excluded as the turret layout precluded the installation of the 17 Pounder gun, within the time-scales and industrial capability available in 1944-45) only had electric traverse and or M34 mantlets.
	freespace.virgin.net /shermanic.firefly/usnew.html (3660 words)

	YouTube - The mighty 6 Pounder
		It underscores how behind the Brits were at the beginning of WWII with their 2 pounders.
		The 2 pounder made the 6 pounder look good.
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	www.youtube.com /watch?v=tWW8yHjnKn0&search=anti-tank (88 words)

	Monsters On the Unini River Amazon Fishing Adventures with Ranger Dave
		A beautiful 17 pound 3-bar, my second 17 pounder in less than 2 days.
		Judy’s fish is around 10-12 pounds, but mine is another big onemaybe another 17 pounder.
		Still dizzy from two 17 pounders and two 18 pounders I dig around in my box in desperate hopes I might have another and find an old Peacock Special that’s torn up and waterlogged.
	www.highrollerwest.com /site/456404/page/623782 (2007 words)

	LemaireSoft's 17-pounder: global gun (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		Adaptation for tanks of the 17 pounder: it had no carriage and the muzzle brake was replaced by a counter-weight.
		Even the Royal Navy had interest for the 17-pounder antitank gun.
		To fit them on the existing mounts of the LC Gun (M) landing crafts, the 17 pounder Mark I had to be deprived from the semi-automatic loading system.
	www.lemaire.happyhost.org /armes/artillerie/789.html (286 words)

	PMMS (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-01)
		The 6 pounder was widely used in British and Commonwealth service, firstly in artillery anti-tank regiments when first introduced in 1942 and later, when the 17 pounder took over as the main anti-tank gun, in infantry units as their own integral artillery.
		It was a capable gun, even capable of taking on the Tiger which it did in Tunisia and later even taking out the well-known German tank commander Michael Wittmann.
		Although designed before the Second World War, the loss of large quantities of equipment in the 1940 French campaign meant that the earlier 2 pounder gun remained in production and service before factories were able to change over to the bigger, better gun.
	www.perthmilitarymodelling.com /reviews/books/wow/wow006.htm (444 words)

	missing-lynx.com - Reviews – New Vanguard 98: British Anti-Tank Artillery 1939-45
		These are also clearly shown in the plates.
		The 17/25 pounder, 17 pounder and 32 pounder are well described though more and clearer illustrations of these guns and their carriages would have been useful than some of the “in action” photos.
		The self-propelled anti-tank guns and the portee carriages for the guns are dealt with as well, and even recoilless weapons are included.
	www.missing-lynx.com /reviews/britain/nvg098_jprigent.html (191 words)

	Forgotten Hope 2 Mod Update - Total Battlefield 2 Forums
		Be sure to swing by their site to check out more.
		Great update, I really like how you guys paid attention to the FH2's community request and made wrecks the way they are now, instead of the Battlefield version.
		That 6 pounder looks sick btw, I always think that you guys overuse poly's but what would I know about modding...
	www.totalbf2.com /forums/showthread.php?t=79224 (740 words)

	Custom Solido Tanks
		The model is on display at the Bastogne Historical Society Tourist center in Belgium.
		M4A3 US Army Sherman with 17 pounder, Italy 1945
		This has a typical British "Mickey Mouse" camo scheme, and gun barrel camo to try to hide the 17 pounder gun.
	homepage.mac.com /brentdietrich/alliedarmor.html (862 words)

	Ten Pound Club
		17 pounder - feb. 23 near irrigon on a 5/8 oz.
		Jason Mitchell 12 pounder caught on the Missouri River in Montana
		Doug Powless 14 1/2 pounder, 34 inches, caught in the North Sask. River
	www.walleyecentral.com /ten_pound_club/index.shtml (1915 words)

	1st Airlanding Anti-Tank Battery, Royal Artillery
		C Troop was assigned to accompany the 3
		D and P Troops (the 17 pdr’s) were assigned to HQ Royal Artillery for deployment within the divisional perimeter and Z Troop was assigned to the 1
		This information was sourced from the excellent book on the exploits of the Royal Artillery titled “Gunners At Arnhem”, by Peter Wilkinson MC.
	www.1stairlandingantitankbattery.com (710 words)

	USA Hockey
		Earlier today, Sweden claimed the bronze medal with a 4-2 win over Finland.
		First Period -- Scoring: 1, CAN, Hefford (Pounder), 7:56 (pp).
		9:43; Apps, CAN (bodychecking) 17:16; Vaillancourt, CAN (roughing) 17:36; Darwitz, USA (roughing) 17:36; Pounder, CAN (bodychecking) 19:59.
	www.usahockey.com /servlets/PrintableWebPage?menu_id=8D5421113035386AE034080020D8D313&page_id=E8B04FACCA411554E0340003BA5FE009 (437 words)

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