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	Argument from nonbelief - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		The argument from nonbelief, also known as the argument from divine hiddenness, is a recently-developed argument against the existence of God.
		It is similar to the classic argument from evil in that it affirms inconsistency between the world which is and the world which would be if God had certain desires combined with the power to see them through.
		The argument is gathering interest in the philosophical community, as is evidenced by the contributions of J.L. Schellenberg, Daniel Howard-Snyder and Theodore Drange, among others.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Argument_from_nonbelief (669 words)

	The Argument from Nonbelief : A Rejoinder
		Argument (5) references 1 Timothy 2:4 which states that God "wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth." Again the clear reference here is that God's desire (predominant or not) is for people's salvation not merely that they possess certain noetic content.
		This argument is a possible way God could be omnipotent in the way Drange (and orthodox Christianity) requires and still not be able to actualize S. It is important to understand the ontology of freedom leveraged in HF as an essential property of human creatures.
		That is, the argument stands or falls on the strength of the evidence that accrues for or against it.
	www.infidels.org /library/modern/paul_pardi/response.shtml (11919 words)

	Incoherency argument (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		An incoherency argument is a logical argument that attempts to show that two or more propositions are contradictory, and therefore that at least one (and possibly more) of those propositions must be incorrect.
		Well-known incoherency arguments include the problem of evil and the argument from nonbelief.
		One that may have had a significant impact on world history is "The Incoherence of the Philosophers[?]" by Al-Ghazali, which argued effectively that all philosophy was necessarily incoherent.
	www.ebroadcast.com.au /lookup/encyclopedia/in/Incoherency_argument.html (93 words)

	20th WCP: Nonbelief as Support for Atheism (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		Schellenberg regards "reasonable" nonbelief to be that which is inculpable (i.e., for which the nonbeliever is not to blame).
		Overall, I would say that the basic idea of an argument from nonbelief is sound, and it does indeed provide support for a certain form of atheism, but it needs to be formulated in a different way.
		This argument is not to be applied to God in general, only to that specific concept of God with respect to which its first premise would be true.
	www.bu.edu /wcp/Papers/Reli/ReliDran.htm (3054 words)

	Christian CADRE--Argument from Non-Belief
		His essay argues against God’s existence based on the existence of evil (argument 1), and the existence of non-belief (argument 2), but exerts more effort on the second portion of his argument which he calls the “Argument from Nonbelief (ANB)” which he believes to be "the stronger of the two".
		I am even more surprised that he would, after recognizing that the argument is deeply flawed, attempt the amateurish trick of trying to shift the burden into a challenge to theists to overcome his own leap of logic by demanding that the theist supply the other desires that God may have.
		The existence of God has been supported by many good and reasonable arguments over the years: the cosmological argument, the moral argument, the ontological argument, the teleological argument, the argument from miracles, the argument from the meaning of life, the argument from the mind, the argument from first principals, and on and on.
	www.christiancadre.org /member_contrib/bk_anb.html (6156 words)

	Skeptical Christian: The Argument from Nonbelief
		The Argument from Nonbelef (or, the Argument from Divine Hiddenness) is commonly considered by non-theists to be a persuasive argument against the existence of God.
		There is a second form of the Argument from Nonbelief which is quite different, as it does not depend on the existence of “reasonable nonbelief.” Please see the second part of this article for Theodore M. Drange’s formulation of the argument (along with my response).
		The Argument from Nonbelief is already thoroughly discredited because it can never be considered evidence for anybody but the individual who has the complaint.
	www.skepticalchristian.com /nonbelief.htm (4323 words)

	The Problem of Nonbelief (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		The atheistic argument that utilizes this problem is called The Argument from Nonbelief, and it is a form of the Argument from Evil in which the evil is considered nonbelief itself.
		This argument is directed specifically at the Christian God that is often said to require belief in Him as a prerequisite for obtaining eternal salvation.
		One objection to the Argument from Nonbelief is that faith is important to God, and subsequently, faith necessarily requires some degree of uncertainty.
	www.anatheist.com /Portals/problem_of_nonbelief.html (560 words)

	Department of Philosophy (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		"The Arguments from Evil and Nonbelief." A presentation and defense of two arguments for God's nonexistence, with main emphasis upon the Argument from Nonbelief.
		"Nonbelief vs. Lack of Evidence: Two Atheological Arguments." According to the Lack-of-Evidence Argument, if God were to exist then there would be better objective evidence of that than there actually is. This essay gives reasons for regarding the Argument from Nonbelief to be a stronger atheological argument than that one.
		"Nonbelief as Support for Atheism." A critique of J. Schellenberg's version of the Argument from Nonbelief and a presentation and defense of Drange's own version of it.
	www.as.wvu.edu /phil/tdrange_long.html (399 words)

	ARGUMENTS FROM EVIL AND NONBELIEF
		Note that the Argument from Nonbelief is also an argument for nonbelief in that it aims to prove the nonexistence of God.
		The argument proceeds from the fact of widespread nonbelief in set P, as one of its premises, to a proposition which expresses nonbelief in God, as its conclusion.
		And in the case of Argument (3), the idea is that since God actually empowered some of the apostles to perform miracles in order for them to spread the gospel message (which includes the propositions of set P), it is unlikely that he has purposes which override his desire that the message be spread.
	www.infidels.org /library/modern/theodore_drange/aeanb.html (13162 words)

	Theism vs Atheism - Martin's Third Statement (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		Third, I presented three arguments for disbelief in the theistic God--the Argument from Incoherence, the Argument from Evil, and the Argument from Nonbelief-- and have shown that Dr. Fernandes' attempts to rebut these have failed.
		Fernandes dismisses my third point against the Kalam Cosmological Argument that causality in its standard sense is a temporal notion and, as such, is incompatible with the Universe (including time and space) being caused by God because he confuses the issue by introducing a discussion of other dimensions of time.
		In the Argument from Incoherence I argue that God's attributes are not only inconsistent (as specified by the Bible) but His essential attributes are in conflict with one another (as specified by philosophers).
	www.biblicaldefense.org /Research_Center/Debates/debate6.htm (5210 words)

	Support: Arguments For Atheism [General]
		The Argument from Evil is thousands of years old, going back at least to the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurus, who argued that the existence of evil is logically incompatible with the existence of a being with the properties usually attributed to a god.
		A common modification of the argument is to replace the premise "unnecessary evil and human suffering exists" with "evil and human suffering exists that is in all probability unnecessary".
		These incompatible-properties arguments are probably best understood as proof that theists don't know what they are talking about when they describe their god, rather than proof that God does not exist.
	www.iit.edu /~reevkev/cext/support/zrationalview.html (1605 words)

	The Brights' Net - Books by Brights
		The arguments are the familiar Argument from Evil and the not-so-familiar Argument from Nonbelief.
		The main thrust of the book is to show that the Argument from Nonbelief is every bit as powerful in presenting evidence for God's nonexistence as is the Argument from Evil.
		All the various defenses of God's existence are totally demolished, demonstrating the great strength of both the Argument from Evil and the Argument from Nonbelief.
	www.the-brights.net /people/books/book_details.html?book=naetaftnog (243 words)

	Amazon.de: Nonbelief and Evil: Two Arguments for the Nonexistence of God: English Books (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		Regarding the Devil Defense against The Argument from Evil, if the Devil and his demons are claimed to be the cause of earthquakes, then the Devil Defense competes with the plate tectonics theory of earthquakes, the latter having far greater explanatory power.
		Flanking this central line of argument are reflections on atheological arguments in general, the cognitive status of religious claims, free will, the fine-tuning argument, and other relevant topics.
		He is quick to admit ignorance of subjects and concede the (at least initial) plausibility of certain objections to his arguments.
	www.amazon.de /exec/obidos/ASIN/1573922285 (1874 words)

	The Argument from Physiological Horrors - Horia George Plugaru (2003)
		Finally, according to the mind-brain dependence argument, the fact that nothing mental happens without something physical happening is evidence against both the existence of souls and the existence of God, since he is supposed to have (be) a disembodied mind.
		Now it is true that the Argument from Physiological Horrors has something in common with the three arguments just mentioned: All four proceed from an empirical observation of certain facts that shouldn't exist in the world were the theist God to exist.
		Second, Martin's argument works by way of analogy: Since we know that mistakes and errors in created things are signs of the fallibility of their creators and since our universe appears to have errors, it follows that it too was probably created by a fallible being.
	www.positiveatheism.org /crt/horrors.htm (8124 words)

	Philosophical Observations of Mr. Jargon
		However this argument suffers the (inimical) flaw that it does not account for someone freely choosing to go to hell, which if so means their damnation is fair.
		I agree with Joveia's summary of the Argument from Nonbelief (henceforth referred to as ANB) and his assessment of its various weaknesses and strengths.
		Basically, the argument goes that Christ used many different metaphors for hell, only some involving fire and brimstone (another one was outer darkness, which fits like a glove in description to separation from God).
	misterjargon.blogspot.com (5291 words)

	The Argument From Nonbelief - TheologyWeb Campus
		On the whole, your argument seems to be a version of the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God (the TAG)...basically, the viewpoint that logic cannot exist without God.
		There are a variety of factors which could be responsible for nonbelief which cause that nonbelief to be unreasonable, and it is plausible that there is little or no actually reasonable nonbelief in the world.
		So far, your only argument against point 1 is that "whether or not an argument is convincing is irrelevant to whether or not the argument is valid." That's true, but as I have pointed out your argument does not address the point.
	www.theologyweb.com /campus/showthread.php?p=396980 (6200 words)

	Concerning Theodore Drange's Argument from Evil for the Non-existence of God - Shandon L. Guthrie - The Examined Life ...
		The detractor to this argument could suggest that this is not analogous because human beings cannot foresee such disaster and, therefore, create alternative circumstances to avoid it.
		The Argument from Nonbelief concerns the nonexistence of God based on the idea that God is able and would desire to bring about a specific possible world.
		Although a thorough criticism of the Argument from Nonbelief is certainly beyond the scope of this article, a swift refutation of its modal necessity can be noted.
	examinedlifejournal.com /archives/vol3ed10/drange.shtml (3465 words)

	Philosophy Now
		Theodore Drange is one of a relatively small number of academic philosophers who have devoted a large part of their intellectual efforts over the last thirty-some years to systematically opposing theism.
		Arguments similar to ANB have been advanced, in particular by J.L. Schellenberg, but they have generally been conceived as having to do with the problem of ‘divine hiddenness’.
		By characterizing the problem as one of widespread, long-standing, nonculpable nonbelief, he tries to make it evident that nonbelief is powerful evidence for atheism rather than just a problem for theism.
	www.philosophynow.org /issue47/47echelbarger.htm (1349 words)

	Skeptical Christian
		The Argument from Nonbelief has recently emerged as an argument against the existence of God.
		This essay critiques two versions of the argument and concludes that belief in God is still reasonable despite the prevalence of nonbelief in the world we live in.
		In this section, arguments against the existence of God are analyzed and critiqued.
	www.skepticalchristian.com /atheism/theism (422 words)

	Table of contents for The improbability of God (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		Quentin Smith, ¿A Defense of the Cosmological Argument for God¿s Nonexistence¿ 63 5.
		Nonbelief Arguments Against the Existence of God Introduction 433 1.
		Victor Cosculluela, ¿Bolstering the Argument from Nonbelief¿ 465 4.
	www.loc.gov /catdir/toc/ecip063/2005032632.html (431 words)

	Argument from nonbelief: Facts and details from Encyclopedia Topic (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		the argument from divine hiddenness) is a recently-developed argument against the existence of God[for more, click this link] that is garnering interest in the philosophical community (J.L, Exception Handler: No article summary found.
		The argument mirrors the classic argument from evil[for more, click this link] but appeals to different troubling facts.
		Argument from free will (The argument from free will is an argument against the existence of god which contends that omniscience and free...)
	www.absoluteastronomy.com /ref/argument_from_nonbelief (1369 words)

	Evil, Suffering, And Behavioral Determinism Ali (Reply) (1-01)
		The Argument from Evil is, I think, one of the most formidable enemies of the concept of a deity who is both all-powerful and good.
		A companion argument is the Argument from Nonbelief, which weighs heavily against the particularly Christian concept of an all-powerful god who wants humans to know him, who commands humans to love him.
		And the Argument from Nonbelief is not as formidable against the concept of the god of Judaism, who cares only for the Hebrew race.
	www.positiveatheism.org /mail/eml9272.htm (1924 words)

	Amazon.ca: Nonbelief Evil: Books (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		Included are examinations of free-will, the possibility of an afterlife, arguments by theists, and more.
		However, this is not a good argument since it is not relevant to the biblical concept of God.
		In fact, if you use this argument against a relatively informed Calvinist, you might make him fall to the floor and laugh really hard, but that's about as far as you are going to get.
	www.amazon.ca /exec/obidos/ASIN/1573922285 (373 words)

	Nonbelief Atheistic Argument - TheologyWeb Campus
		Perhaps it could be argued that in every person's life, there must be a point at which the reasonable course of action is to become a believer and leave the nonbelief.
		But having reasonable nonbelief at some point of one's life is not something that God absolutely could not allow.
		But let me deal with this argument from nonbelief for a little bit here and then we will give it a shot.
	www.theologyweb.com /campus/showthread.php?t=1344 (1480 words)

	Argument from nonbelief - TheBestLinks.com - Arguments for the existence of God, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day ... (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
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		Its motivating thought is that if God existed, surely he could have done more to help people believe in him.
	www.thebestlinks.com /Argument_from_nonbelief.html (494 words)

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		Then I made sure to kick people out of my forums and threatened to post their personal information because they tried to show everyone that the math experts didn’t support me, but I said it’s because they didn’t stop using my real name (even though it’s found about a dozen times on my website).
		Oh, and don't confuse things by mentioning how many theistic arguments there are, and the probability of each of them being correct...
		That purple llama on the ceiling is juggling chainsaws.
	www.tektonics.org /guest/300proof.html (7430 words)

	Over Three Hundred Proofs of God’s Existence (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
		ARGUMENT FROM FUZZY ANIMALS, aka TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (V) (1) Bunnies are cute.
		ARGUMENT FROM "LET'S JUST BELIEVE," aka TAFFY LEWIS'S ARGUMENT (I) (1) All belief systems should be treated the same as the scientific one.
		ARGUMENT FROM WHAT YEAR IT IS (1) The years of our calendar are dated from the birth of Christ.
	www.godlessgeeks.com /LINKS/GodProof.htm (8187 words)

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