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  Yeshu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The surname Pandera is not known from any graves or inscriptions, but the surname Pantera (the Latin form of Pantheras, literally meaning Panther), is unusual but not unknown.
The term "son of Pandera" may therefore be not a patronymic but rather a designation of a class of person, similar to the expression son of Belial.
In the 13th century Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu in rabbinic literature was a disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah Rabbenu Yehiel mi-Paris).
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 Jesus (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jesus ben Thebuth, who surrendered the jewels of the Temple to the besieging army in AD Additionally, the area around Judea raised many people who either claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, or were simply resistance fighters who wanted to overthrow Roman authority.
Yeshu ben Pandera, translated "Jesus" by some, who was the teacher of Jacob of Sichnin in the 2nd century AD.
ben Stada who was stoned at Lydda (Lod), assumed by some to be identical to Yeshu ben Pandera and thus referred to as "Jesus".
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 Yeshu - the free encyclopedia   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
In Sanhedrin 107b and Sotah 47a a Yeshu is mentioned as a student of Joshua Ben Perachiah whowas sent away for judging a woman by her physical appearance.
The term "son of Pandera" may thereforebe not a patronymic but rather a designation of a class of person, similar to the expression son of Belial.
Inthe 13th century Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu inrabbinic literature was a disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah RabbenuYehiel mi-Paris).
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 Talk:Yeshu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The application of Yeshu to a student of ben Perachiah in the Hasmonean period and to the teacher of Jacob of Sichnin in the second century CE CANNOT be considered wordplay on Joshua or Jeshua meaning Jesus.
Pandera (also Pantera, Pantiri, Pantheras and Pantira), meaning "panther" in Aramaic was the name of a Jewish family around the end of the last century BC and first century CE suggested as centered in a certain Bethlehem.
Finally and most controversially a certain "Plony" Ben Stada is supposed to be illegitimately descended from the same family because of his mother Miriam Mgadla (Miryai the Hairdresser) called Stath-Da as "she was unfaithful" to her husband Paphos Ben Jehuda.
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 Yeshu -- Facts, Info, and Encyclopedia article   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Rabbi Eleazar ben Damma was bitten by a snake.
The surname Pandera is not known from any graves or inscriptions, but the surname Pantera (the (Any dialect of the language of ancient Rome) Latin form of Pantheras, literally meaning Panther), is unusual but not unknown.
The term "son of Pandera" may therefore be not a patronymic but rather a designation of a class of person, similar to the expression (additional info and facts about son of Belial) son of Belial.
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The mention of R. Eliezer and the name Ben Stada indicate that we have here to do with a Lud tradition; the story, however, must be regarded as one of the oldest of this tradition, for it cites R. Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, the teacher of Akiba, and the founder of the Lud school.
All they were quite certain of was that Ben Stada and Ben Pandera were intended for one and the same person, but as to who Stada or Pandera may have been they had no definite information.
The truth of the matter, according to Rab Tam, was that the historical Jeschu lived in the days of Jehoshua ben Perachiah; as to the Rab Bibi story, he adds, it too is a gross anachronism, the Miriam referred to was either some totally different person, or the story has been handed on incorrectly.
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 Read about Yeshu at WorldVillage Encyclopedia. Research Yeshu and learn about Yeshu here!   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Joshua Ben Perachiah who was sent away for judging a woman by her physical appearance.
The term "son of Pandera" may therefore be not a patronymic but rather a designation of a class of person, similar to the expression
Jew that Mary had been divorced by her husband after having an affair with a Roman soldier name Pantheras who was the real father of Jesus.
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 Jesus in the Jewish tradition
In any case Joshua ben Perachiah and Nithai of Arbela were the second of the famous "Five Pairs" of the "Guruparampara" chain (to use a Brahmanical technical term) of Talmudic tradition, while Simeon ben Shetach and Judah ben Tabbai form the third "Pair."
Thus; for the enticer two witnesses are placed in concealment in the innermost part of the house; but he is made himself to remain in the exterior part of the house, wherein a lamp is lighted over him, in order that the witnesses may see him and distinguish his voice.
Not only is she said to have been the sister of a certain Joshua, who is presumably to be identified with Joshua ben Perachiah, but she is also said to have been related to Queen Helene, that is, if our argument holds good, to Queen Salome, whose brother was Simeon ben Shetach.
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 Encyclopedia: Documentary hypothesis   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Rabbi Abraham Ben Meir Ibn Ezra (also known as Ibn Ezra, or Abenezra) (1092 or 1093-1167), was one of the most distinguished Jewish men of letters and writers of the Middle Ages.
In the twelfth century, the commentator R. Joseph ben Isaac, known as the Bekhor Shor, noted that a number of wilderness narratives in Exodus and Numbers are very similar, in particular, the incidents of water from the rock, and the stories about manna and the quail.
In the thirteenth century, R. Hezekiah ben Manoah (known as the Hizkuni) noticed the same textual anomalies that Ibn Ezra noted; thus R. Hezekiah's commentary on Genesis 12:6 notes that this section "is written from the perspective of the future.".
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 Sherlock Holmes Style Search For the Historical Jesus
Various beliefs surrounded ben Stada - some claiming he was a madman, others claiming he was a spell- master, and some claiming he was a beguiler.
Jesus is commonly referred to in the Talmud by the expressions "ben Stada" and "ben Pandera," however, in the Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d), the full name is given as Yeshu ben Pandera; and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, the full name is given as Yeshu ben Pantera.
The mother of Ben Pandera is said to be Miriam, the woman's hairdresser.
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 Ben Pandera - Definition up Erdmond.Com   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Though Yeshu ben Pandera fits into the early half of the first century CE, he is most often confused with a much earlier and more infamous Yeshu (Ha Notzri) of rabbinical literature who was the student of Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah who lived at the start of the first century BCE.
Ben Pandera mentioned explicitly in :Aboda Zara 16b-17a :Jerusalem Talmud Avodah Zarah 2.
It is thought that those fragments of the Toldoth_Yeshu which are not obviously adapted from the mishnah concerning the early first century BC Yeshu_Ha_Notzri or the early second century CE Plony_Ben_Stada may be referring to this Yeshu Ben Pandera.
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 Toledoth Yeshu
It is about a man, Yeshu, and his disciples, who lived in the late 2nd century BCE.
There are attempts to link him with a certain early first century Ben Pandera (Shabbat 104b, Sanhedrin 64a) whose disciples were healers and respected by Rabbis Eliezer ben Hyrcanus and/aka Eliezer ben Dama.
The currency around 180 of traditions about Ben Stada's illegitimate descent from the Pandera family (to which the sons of James Joseph and Clopas and their offspring belonged according to Epiphanius), is corroborated by the anti-Christian polemic philosopher, Celsus, who reported hearing the story from an anonymous Jew.
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It happened with Rabbi Elazar ben Damah, whom a serpent bit, that Jacob, a man of Kefar Soma, came to heal him in the name of Jeshua ben Pantera; but Rabbi Ishmael did not let him.
Rab Hisda said, "The husband was Stada, the paramour was Pandera." The husband was Pappos ben Yehudah, the mother was Stada.
And thus they did to Ben Stada in Lydda; two disciples of the wise were chosen for him, and they brought him to the Beth Din and stoned him.
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 Encyclopedia: Ben Stada   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
This is not found in the other manuscripts and as with the addition to the Munich manuscript it is considered too late to have authority.
Already in the 13th century, Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu in rabbinic literature was a the disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah Rabbenu Yehiel mi-Paris) Nahmanides too makes this point.
Yeshua on the other hand is a shortened form of Yehoshua peculiar to the dialect spoken at the time of Ezra and Nehemiah and is not attested in other periods.
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 MUSLIM - CHRISTIAN DIALOGUE: The Talmudic Account (from Jewish Site), Mustafa Aslan at 1/16/2003 03:54   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Little is known of Yeshu Ben Pandera, and all information that mentions him are based on the Tosefta and the Baraitas, writings made at the same time as the Mishna.
The pagan philosopher Celsus, who was famous for his arguments against Christianity, claimed (178 CE) that he had heard from a Jew that Jesus' mother, Mary, had been divorced by her husband, a carpenter, after it had been proved that she was an adulteress.
All the information we have on ben Stada (also known as ben Sotera or ben Sotira) comes from the same sources concerning Yeshu, and there is less information on ben Stada than about Yeshu.
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 Yeshu biography .ms   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Robert Eisler notes that in the Iliad, Pandaros betrays the Greeks by hurling a lance at Menelaus thus breaking an armistice confirmed by solemn oath, and speculates that his name came to be used in a manner similar to the use of the name Benedict Arnold today.
It was borrowed by Hebrew in the form Pandera and is also found in Midrash.
There are significant phonetic difficulties in seeing the epithet son of Pandera as a corruption of parthenos, and this interpretation ignores the understandable Hebrew meaning of "betrayer".
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 Jacob of Kefar -- Facts, Info, and Encyclopedia article   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Jacob of Kefar Soma or Jacob of Kefar Sakanin, is a character described as a disciple of (additional info and facts about Yeshu Ben Pandera) Yeshu Ben Pandera.
The other mention of Jacob in the Mishnah concerns the death of Rabbi Eliezer ben Dama the nephew of Rabbi Ishmael Ben Elisha whose prominence is dated c.90-135 CE.
Since here Eliezer Ben Dama & Ishmael could both have been ignorant concerning whether or not Jacob had already died by this time, the passage does not contradict the Soncino Talmud editor's claim.
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 The Aberree, Volume 10, Issue 3 - page 12
Now, as you can see, by 200 A. D., the saying, "Jesus, Son of the Panther-Cat", or "Jesus Ben ha-Pantera" had evolved into "Jesus Ben Pandera", mostly because Greek was the international language among the elite, but was misunderstood among the rabble.
It is obvious that they, logically enough, took the name "Pantera" or "Pandera" to be the name of the father.
He wrote the story of Jesus Ben Pandera to prove that Jesus was an Aryan.
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 roots of christianity
Chief among these are: 1)Joshua ben Pandera, the second Messiah of the Zealot movement.
He was the son of the Roman centurion, Pandera, and a Jewish woman, whose name very likely was not Mary.
Pandera was later transferred to Germany where he died and a statue was erected to his memory.
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This is the reason for the life of Jeschu Ben Pandera as a pre-figuration for the life of Christ.
Joseph, says Epiphanius, was the son of Panther (Pandera) and Panther was born about 100 B.C. Now Panther is a name given for the soldier in several Talmud Jesus stories described as the paramour of the mother of Jesus when she was in separation.
Mead says that Panther and Pandera are the one and the same person and his research shows that the name Panthera was erased from the oldest Vatican manuscripts of Origen.
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 AhlulBayt Discussion Forum > Birth of Jesus   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
So, Jesus was the son of the Panther, ben Pandera, and so he was known from an early time by the Jews.
The presence of the name, Ben Pandera, in the Jewish writings shows that the rumour probably began in Palestine, yet Pandera is not a pun on the Hebrew or Aramaic words for a virgin, so it arose among Greek speakers.
There was nothing unusual in Paganism about demi-gods being born of virgins, so there seems no obvious reason why the pun should have been invented by Pagans, but that it should have been used by gentile Christians to defend their new god against a true but undesirable rumour seems quite likely.
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 Jacob of Kefar   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Jacob of Kefar Soma or Jacob of Kefar Sakanin, is a character described as a disciple of Yeshu Ben Pandera.
The debate about the use of such money in the Temple indicates that the exchange must have taken place before such a debate would have been rendered redundant with the destruction of the Temple in 70 CE while Eleazar ben Hyrcanus' time of prominence is usually dated c.70-100CE.
The editor of the Soncino Talmud believes him to have been either James the less of James son of Alphaeus, but whether this truly is the Mishnah's memory of James the Just whose death is usually dated to 62 CE is a topic of some debate.
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 AskWhy! From Judaism to Christianity- Christianity Revealed   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
Jesus ben Ananias was by the governor of Judaea and prophesied disaster until a Roman missile killed him during the siege of Jerusalem in 59-60 AD.
The hanging of Jesus ben Pandera probably meant he was bound to a stake and left to die slowly by desiccation in the hot sunlight.
The other, Jesus ben Stada, whose date is uncertain, but who may have lived in the first third of the second century AD, is said to have been stoned and hanged on the eve of a Passover, but at Lydda.
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 A Jesus Who Was a Christ, by Professor Revilo P. Oliver   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
The Jewish record of Jesus ben Pandera, hostile to him as are all Jewish accounts of christs who failed, is preserved in a book commonly called Sepher Toledoth Yeshu ("Book of the Lineage of Jesus"), extant in several recensions, which differ in various details.
The record of Jesus ben Pandera has mightily embarrassed professionals in the Jesus-business ever since it was rediscovered in the Sixteenth Century.
The story of Jesus ben Pandera, if considered critically, will give us a convenient illustration of the way in which all such tales, including those in the "New Testament," are elaborated.
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 A JESUS WHO WAS A CHRIST by Revilo Oliver
He was Jesus ben Pandera, who was born in the reign of a Jewish King who had assumed a civilized name, Alexander Jannaeus.
	The Jewish record of Jesus ben Pandera, hostile to him as are all Jewish accounts of christs who failed, is preserved in a book commonly called *Sepher Toledoth Yeshu* ("Book of the Lineage of Jesus"), extant in several recensions, which differ in various details.
But when his pious passions were aroused by a threat to his religion, he could lie brazenly and assert that the story of Jesus ben Pandera was unknown to Celsus.
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 Re: Yeshu ben Pandera and Miriam   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
In Reply to: Yeshu ben Pandera and Miriam posted by David Goldman on December 21, 1997 at 10:34:55:
The fact that Josephus doesn't even mention the NT Jesus strengthens the idea that the writers of the Christian scriptures were putting together sectarian messianic ORAL traditions which the various writers thought referred to one individual, perhaps in the context of the traditions about the earlier well-known personages, Yeshu haNotzri ben Pandera and ben Stada.
The Talmud apparently also does not mention Benjamin, Yehuda or Theudas either (false messiahs : mentioned by Josephus), which suggests the possibility that none of these particular individuals was very important, and weakens further the credibility of any of the NT writings about any figure called Jesus.
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