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  Yeshu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is then refuted by the claim that the mother was named Miriam, the dresser of women's hair, but that she had gone astray from her husband (a Miriam the daughter of Bilgah, is mentioned elsewhere as having had an affair with a Roman soldier).
It does not correspond to any known name, suggesting that son of Stada might also be a designation of a class of individual rather an a patronymic, or perhaps an invented title like that of the Jewish general Bar Kochba (son of the star).
In the 13th century Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu in rabbinic literature was a disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah Rabbenu Yehiel mi-Paris).
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 Yeshu - the free encyclopedia   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
In Sanhedrin 107b and Sotah 47a a Yeshu is mentioned as a student of Joshua Ben Perachiah whowas sent away for judging a woman by her physical appearance.
This is countered with the claim the husband was Pappos ben Yehuda (a second century figure elsewhereremembered as having locked up his unfaithful wife) and that the mother was named Stada.
Inthe 13th century Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu inrabbinic literature was a disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah RabbenuYehiel mi-Paris).
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 Yeshu - Open Encyclopedia   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
In such debates the various statements and their refuations are often of a Midrashic nature, sometimes incorporating subtle humour and should not always be taken at face value.
The purpose of the passage is to arrive at a Midrashic meaning for the term Stada.
Already in the 13th century, Jehiel ben Joseph of Paris wrote that the Yeshu in rabbinic literature was a the disciple of Joshua ben Perachiah, and not to be confused with Jesus the Nazarene (Vikkuah Rabbenu Yehiel mi-Paris) Nahmanides too makes this point.
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 Inquisitive Atheists - Refuting Missionaries
Since the name "Stada" resembles the Aramaic expression "stat da," meaning "she went astray" it was thought that "Stada" referred to the mother of Yeishu and that she was an adultress.
Since ben Stada lived in Roman times and the name Pandeira resembled the name Pantheras found among Roman soldiers, it was assumed that Pandeira had been a Roman soldier stationed in Israel.
Whatever the case, the belief that Yeishu fled to Egypt to escape being killed by a cruel king, appears to be the origin of the Christian belief that Jesus and his family fled to Egypt to escape King Herod.
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He was originally the student of Yehoshua Ben Perachiah but was sent away for judging a woman by her physical appearance.
Some identify Yeshu with the second century CE Ben Stada and with the figure called Ben Pandera.
Shimeon Ben Shetach is thought to have been the historical person who succeeded in exposing Yeshu Ha Notzri as a charlatan to his sister Queen Salome Alexandra (Helene).
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The mention of R. Eliezer and the name Ben Stada indicate that we have here to do with a Lud tradition; the story, however, must be regarded as one of the oldest of this tradition, for it cites R. Eliezer ben Hyrcanus, the teacher of Akiba, and the founder of the Lud school.
All they were quite certain of was that Ben Stada and Ben Pandera were intended for one and the same person, but as to who Stada or Pandera may have been they had no definite information.
Rab Tam, however, categorically denies that Ben Stada was the Jeschu of history, and that, too, in face of the widespread Lud tradition which had so strongly imposed itself upon the Babylonian Rabbis.
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 A Message from Rabbi Dratch - Kol Sholom - April 2004   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
The connection to Jesus is that Ben Stada is connected to Jesus in the passage above and that he was executed on the eve of Passover.
Ben Stada was stoned by a Jewish court and not crucified by the Roman government like Jesus.
The second, Ben Stada, was simply a public idolater from an illustrious family who was caught and punished.
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And then the Rabbis dismiss the whole idea of Ben Stada saying that he was a fool, and you cann’t learn from a fool and deduct from it a halachic ruling.
Ben Stada, according to suggestion of Herford would be that Staddius, one of these Gallelean false prophets that came to Jerusalem, and them finally was killed and executed, and he is mentioned in Acts chapter 21 verse 38.
Another one is Ben Pandera, they heard that the believers, the Christians speak about the son of the virgin, huios Parthenou, and they say that Pandira was his father, but the word Parthenou was designed to speak about his mother, not his father.
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 Mead: Chapter IX.—THE TALMUD MARY STORIES.   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
This Simeon ben Azzai nourished somewhat earlier than Akiba, and may therefore be placed at the end of the first and the beginning of the second century.
The Ben Stada stories are mostly characterised by anachronisms which are as startling as those of the Ben Perachiah date, but which are its exact antipodes.
Meir was a pupil of Akiba and Paphos (or Pappos) ben Jehudah was Akiba's contemporary.
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 Mary, An Adulteress
When the idea that Mary was a virgin developed, the mythical Joseph was relegated to the position of simply being her husband and the stepfather of Jesus.
In the Tosefta, ben Stada is called ben Sotera or ben Sitera.
Since the name "Stada" resembles the Aramaic statement "stat da," meaning "she went astray" it was thought that "Stada" referred to the mother of Yeishu and that she was an adultress.
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 Jesus (disambiguation)   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
Jesus ben Gamaliel, a high priest of the Jewish Temple, son of Gamaliel, a renowned teacher whom St. Paul claimed to have been taught by.
Jesus ben Thebuth, who surrendered the jewels of the Temple to the besieging army in AD Additionally, the area around Judea raised many people who either claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, or were simply resistance fighters who wanted to overthrow Roman authority.
ben Stada who was stoned at Lydda (Lod), assumed by some to be identical to Yeshu ben Pandera and thus referred to as "Jesus".
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 Sherlock Holmes Style Search For the Historical Jesus
This young man, Yeshu, was the son of Miriam Stada (thus he was also known as ben Stada)-perhaps because she was not married.
Various beliefs surrounded ben Stada - some claiming he was a madman, others claiming he was a spell- master, and some claiming he was a beguiler.
Jesus is commonly referred to in the Talmud by the expressions "ben Stada" and "ben Pandera," however, in the Jerusalem Talmud (Avodah Zerah II 40d), the full name is given as Yeshu ben Pandera; and in the Tosefta on Hullin II, the full name is given as Yeshu ben Pantera.
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At the same time it is possible that the name Ben Stada did not originally refer to Jesus, although in the later tradition the two are identified.
As to the meaning of the two names, Ben Stada and Ben Pandira, various explanations have been proposed ; but none has, in either case, been generally accepted.
That Stada is made up of the Latin words 'sta' 'da,' and denotes a Roman soldier, is a mere guess, with nothing in its favour.
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 The Night Queen: Interesting reading and check out my "THE Roman Piso ARTICLE SITE"   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
A common appellation for Jesus in the Talmud is Yeshu'a ben Panthera, an allusion to the widespread Jewish belief during the earliest centuries of the Christian era that Jesus was the result of an illegitimate union between his mother and a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Panthera.
The ben Panthera legend was so widespread that two early stalwarts of the Christian Church inserted the name in the genealogies of Jesus and Mary as a matter of fact.
The name "ben Stada", given to Jesus in the Talmud, was found to be paralleled in the ancient Mehgheehlla Scroll, which was discovered by Russian physician D. de Waltoff near Lake Tiberius in 1882 and is now called simply "the Safed Scroll".
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 SecI
It happened with Rabbi Elazar ben Damah, whom a serpent bit, that Jacob, a man of Kefar Soma, came to heal him in the name of Jeshua ben Pantera; but Rabbi Ishmael did not let him.
Rab Hisda said, "The husband was Stada, the paramour was Pandera." The husband was Pappos ben Yehudah, the mother was Stada.
And thus they did to Ben Stada in Lydda; two disciples of the wise were chosen for him, and they brought him to the Beth Din and stoned him.
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 Jesus in the Jewish tradition
In any case Joshua ben Perachiah and Nithai of Arbela were the second of the famous "Five Pairs" of the "Guruparampara" chain (to use a Brahmanical technical term) of Talmudic tradition, while Simeon ben Shetach and Judah ben Tabbai form the third "Pair."
Indeed, not only is Mary excused from any conscious breaking of the Law, but from several forms of the Toldoth we glean that she was regarded as a woman of distinction.
Not only is she said to have been the sister of a certain Joshua, who is presumably to be identified with Joshua ben Perachiah, but she is also said to have been related to Queen Helene, that is, if our argument holds good, to Queen Salome, whose brother was Simeon ben Shetach.
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 KENMARC - In Celebration of 50 Years - My Vietnam
The pagan philosopher Celsus, who was famous for his arguments against Christianity, claimed in 178 C.E., that he had heard from a Jew that Jesus' mother, Mary, had been divorced by her husband, a carpenter, after it had been proved that she was an adulteress.
Since these three people were all thought to be the Messiah, they were naturally confused with Yeishu and ben Stada, the probable sources for the Gospel writers.
Since ben Stada had come from Egypt it is natural that he would have been confused with Benjamin the Egyptian.
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 The Aberree, Volume 9, Issue 8 - page 6
One of them, Joshua Ben Perachia, fled, taking with him• his favorite pupil, Jesus or Jeschu, to Alexandria, Egypt, which country in that time was the greatest center of spiritual knowledge.
Ore is that of Jesus Ben Stada, and the other Jeschu Ben Pandera.
Rabbi Chisda, around 300 A.D., explained in the Gemara that the husband of Mary was named Stada, while her lover, a Roman captain, was called Pandera.
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The connection between Yeishu and Jesus is corroborated by the the fact that Mattai and Todah, the names of two of Yeishu's disciples, are the original Hebrew forms of Matthew and Thaddaeus, the names of two of Jesus's disciples in Christian mythology.
The pagan philosopher Celsus, who was famous for his arguments against Christianity, claimed in 178 C.E. that he had heard from a Jew that Jesus's mother, Mary, had been divorced by her husband, a carpenter, after it had been proved that she was an adultress.
Jesus was partly based on Yeishu and ben Stada who probably lived more than a century apart.
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Yehoshua Ben Perachiah left and arrived at a particular inn and
Accept me. But R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah paid him no attention.
Yeshu, and there is less information on ben Stada than about Yeshu.
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Rabbi Eleazar ben Damma was bitten by a snake.
Jacob, from the town of Samma, came to heal him "in the name of Yeshua ben Pandera" Rabbi Ishmael tells Rabbi Eleazar that Jacob is not allowed to heal; Rabbi Eleazar insists that it is allowed, but dies before he is able to provide proof.
In Sanhedrin 107b and Sotah 47a a Yeshu the Notzri is mentioned as a student of Joshua Ben Perachiah who was sent away for judging a woman by her physical appearance.
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 Jesus and the Talmud - Stormfront White Nationalist Community   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
What we see from here is that there was a man named Ben Stada who was considered to be a practicer of fl magic.
By the year 80 BCE it was finally safe for the Pharisee rabbis to quietly return and Shimon Ben Shetach sent a cryptic note to his mentor, R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah, encouraging him to return [Hyman, vol.
As sexual promiscuity was a sign of many of the Hellenist sects, R. Yehoshua Ben Perachiah suspected his student of being yet another leader influenced by Hellenism and had him excommunicated [this hasty conclusion was condemned by the Talmud a few lines before our passage].
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 The Jewish Life of Christ - Appendix   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
While Jesus and Joshua Ben Perachiah were at Alexandria, they were hospitably treated by a rich and learned lady, who, in Madame Blavatsky's opinion, personifies Egypt.
He persecuted the Rabbis, and Joshua ben Perachiah, the President of the Sanhedrim, fled to Egypt, leaving Simeon ben Shetach as his deputy.
It is, however, quite possible, as we have said in a footnote, that the tradition confused her name with that of the celebrated proselyte.
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 Torah.org - The Judaism Site
The Talmud (Shabbos 104b) mentions a person named Ben Stada, and says that he was also called Ben Pandira and that his mother's name was Miriam.
The suggestion has been made that this is a reference to Jesus, but this is only a speculation.
For further details see the article Ben Stada in the Encyclopedia Judaica, vol.
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 Jesus in the Rabbinic Traditions
Some scholars also see an allusion to the virgin birth of Christ in the term, "son of Pandira." This is due to the fact that "Pandira" seems to be a play on the Greek word for virgin, parthenos, the very term used in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke when recording Jesus' virgin birth.
He said to me, So [Jesus of Nazareth] taught me (Tosefta reads "Yeshu ben Pantere"): "For the hire of a harlot hath she gathered them, and unto the hire of a harlot shall they return"; from the place of filth they come, and unto the place of filth they shall go.
It happened with R. Elazar ben Damah, whom a serpent bit, that Jacob, a man of Kefar Soma, came to heal him in the name of Yeshua ben Pantera; but R. Ishmael did not let him.
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 Chapter 9: The Harlot Church   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-21)
The historical Mary was termed 'Stada' meaning 'she deviated', a term labeled on her when she had Yeshu through a fling with a Roman soldier named Pandera, as accounted by Celsus, Origen, and Epiphanius.
Which is why Yeshu was called both Yeshu Ben Pandera and Yeshu Ben Stada.
The many borrowed stories of historical characters used in reference to the gospel accounts were used to signify the fulfillment of these idol gods in order to seduce the cultists.
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Of course these Talmudic stories have been hidden away from Gentile eyes by the language barrier and actual excizing of these Yeshu and Miriam verses from some Talmuds along with the blatant anti-Gentilism one finds in Talmudic scriptures, the only prominent world faith with a Holy book containing openly racist theology.
All the elements of Jesus' family and early story are in the Yeshu and Miriam ben Stada his mom' accounts in the Talmud.
One of the biggest reasons I think the Talmudic accounts, although obliquely written, are closer to the historical truth is because the Jewish religious leaders openly admit to killing Yeshu and his five disciples as per Jewish Law, stoned and then hung on a tree (see Paul's reference in Gal 3:13).
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