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	Traditionalist Catholic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		Traditional Catholics believe, though, that errors have crept into the presentation and understanding of Catholic teaching, either because of liberal interpretations of Vatican II documents, and/or because of post-conciliar pastoral decisions that they believe have harmed the Church, and/or, as is believed by some, because of the Council's documents themselves.
		Most traditional Catholics see the Second Vatican Council itself as a valid Council, but one which was pastoral and which produced no infallibly-given, solemn definitions that Catholics must accept as a part of the Faith.
		They see their situation as comparable to that of traditional Catholics during the Arian heresy when the majority of Bishops were heretics or condoned heresy, and Catholics like Saint Athanasius (who was excommunicated by Pope Liberius and exiled from his see) were vilified yet ultimately canonized.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Traditional_Catholic (1838 words)

	ORTHODOXY AND TRADITIONalism - by Gerard V. Bradley - Catholic Dossier - September/October 2000
		One of the least explored distinctions in contemporary Catholic thought — and practice — is that between orthodoxy and tradition, between those who are orthodox and those who are traditionalism.
		It is still the case that Catholics are obliged to believe that no one may intentionally kill an innocent person, and that those condemned of a capital crime are not “innocent” in the relevant respect.
		Catholics who acted in accord with what was taught, even in accord with what was — we now can see — false, acted blamelessly; rightly.
	www.catholic.net /rcc/Periodicals/Dossier/2000-10/column3.html (1106 words)

	CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Traditionalism
		When replaced in its historical surroundings, Traditionalism clearly appears as a reaction and a protest against the rationalism of the philosophers of the eighteenth century and the anarchic individualism of the French Revolution.
		Since Traditionalism, in its fundamental principles, is a kind of Fideism, it falls under the condemnation pronounced by the Church and under the refutation furnished by reason and philosophy against Fideism.
		Mitigated or Semi-Traditionalism, in spite of its apparent differences, is substantially identical with pure Traditionalism, and falls under the same criticism, since religious and moral truths are declared to be given to man directly by Revelation and accepted by him antecedently to any act of his reason.
	www.newadvent.org /cathen/15013a.htm (1129 words)

	Roman Catholic Traditionalism?
		Catholics should find most of the information here straightforward and easy to follow, non-Catholics might find it useful to look over some Catholic basics first.
		Traditionalism is a movement of conservatism that has emerged as a result of this change.
		Under normal circumstances a Catholic diocese (or 'see') is said to be sede vacante when there is no resident bishop, which can be, e.g., when the local bishop has died and one is yet to be appointed; in such instances official diocesan correspondences carry the words sede vacante in place of the bishop's name.
	www.geocities.com /catholic_traditionalist (3485 words)

	Religioscope: Traditionalism: René Guénon's legacy today - Interview with Mark Sedgwick
		Against the Modern World: Traditionalism and the Secret Intellectual History of the Twentieth Century is the history of one of the most important anti-modernist movements of the twentieth century.
		Traditionalism at the start was more or less an intellectual movement — find the true religion of mankind, that sort of thing.
		Traditionalism wasn’t a stepping stone to Islam for Mahmutcehajic, since he was a Muslim anyhow, though it may have been a stepping stone to the sort of Islam he now practices.
	religion.info /english/interviews/article_53.shtml (2770 words)

	Pope John Paul II seeks to avert 'Protestantized' Catholic Church
		The United States and Canada were Protestant nations with Catholic minorities left to fend for themselves with recourse to the law.
		During the 1960s, Vatican II encouraged Catholics to bridge the gap between themselves and their neighbors.
		Catholic ecumenism and immigration created a greater Catholic presence in the North; missions exponentially increased Protestant minorities in the South.
	seattlepi.nwsource.com /opinion/bass26.html (819 words)

	OSV STORY FOR SEPTEMBER 1
		"The Catholic is quieter, having less of an acquisitive impulse; he prefers a life of the greatest possible security, even with a smaller income, to a life of risk and excitement, even though it may bring the chance of gaining honor and riches.
		Yet the Catholic leisure ethic appears to be swimming against a cultural and economic tide in the United States.
		The Iowa City effort is nonsectarian, but organizers hope to involve Catholics and others in a new movement for shorter work time, said Benjamin K. Hunnicutt, a professor of leisure studies at the University of Iowa and co-chairman of the campaign.
	www.catholic.net /rcc/Periodicals/OSV/96sep01.html (1653 words)

	Orthodox Traditionalism vs. Roman Catholic Traditionalism
		While modern Latin theologians have tried to restate or even reject it, and while the ecumenical pronouncements of the Latin Church have tried to downplay the significance of Papocentrism, it is the fundamental dogma of Roman Catholicism and a principle repeatedly defended by the present Pope.
		One can persuasively argue that since, unlike Orthodox, they do not attribute primacy to Holy Tradition, Roman Catholic traditionalists have no foundation on which to justify their schism from the Mother Church of Rome, especially when such separation is forbidden by the Pope himself, the very criterion of authenticity.
		Traditionalist groups in the Roman Catholic Church are obliged to violate the ultimate authority in their Church to be where they are.
	www.orthodoxinfo.com /inquirers/rome_orth.aspx (460 words)

	To the Editor of This Rock;
		Once one hears the case made by traditional Catholics, one can only accept that case and join them or else turn their back on all integrity and join those who know they are in the wrong.
		True Catholics hear and obey the words of the Pope and refuse to countenance any purported "Catholic teacher" who dares to teach that which the Pope (Pius IX) has condemned, no matter who that "teacher" is. Vatican II all but contradicts the Pope (Pius IX) by affirming the condemned proposition when it states "...
		We Catholics don’t have to discern whether or not "the pope" is orthodox enough, Paul VI has already publicly professed his own incompetency, and John Paul II implicitly does likewise so long as he upholds Vatican II.
	www.the-pope.com /keating4.html (1396 words)

	My <Second Catholic Conversion>: A Reductio ad Absurdum of So-Called Catholic <Traditionalism> (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-22)
		Catholics everywhere need to rebel against this charlatan, who is making a mockery of the traditional Catholic faith.
		As more and more Catholics are beginning to acknowledge that Pope John Paul II's pontificate has been at least a very mixed bag or even disastrous in some ways, Mark Shea appears to have shifted into "defend John Paul II at all costs" gear, regardless of extreme mental gymnastics he must undergo to do so.
		is a statement of the Church's faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition, and the Church's Magisterium.
	ic.net /~erasmus/RAZ210.HTM (4703 words)

	Seattle Catholic - Overcoming "Cafeteria Traditionalism"
		And therein lies what I call the problem of "Cafeteria Traditionalism." As the Vatican no longer concerns itself with most of these traditional practices and customs, the traditional Catholic is left to observe them within his own discretion.
		Indeed, it is quite ironic that the multiplicity of options and choices in matters of religious discipline and practice that traditionalists have decried is precisely a characterizing feature of "modern" Catholic traditionalism.
		Fixed, mandatory disciplinary guidelines, as were historically promulgated by the Church, lent themselves to a culture of discipline and fostered a respect for Church authority.
	www.seattlecatholic.com /article_20030924.html (1163 words)

	[No title] (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-22)
		M.E. Morrison According to Roman Catholic Tradition, the Traditional (pre-Vatican II Roman Rite, “Tridentine”) Latin Mass in all its essentials was passed on by St. Peter, the first pope, to the Church.
		The Mass is celebrated in Latin, the official language of the Roman Catholic Church, used as a liturgical language in the West since as early as the first century.
		Traditionally, the degree of the debt of sin remitted is indicated relatively in terms of days or years (e.g., 40 days).
	www.traditio.com /tradlib/masslat.txt (17462 words)

	Favorite Resources for Catholic Homeschoolers - Red Flag - Catholic Family News
		Catholic Family News (Catholic monthly newspaper from Niagara Falls, NY) takes Catholic traditionalism to such an extreme that they find themselves in complete (perhaps a better word would be "substantial") opposition to Pope John Paul II and his teachings (as well as the teachings of Vatican II).
		I've read material on the websites of dissident groups such as "Call to Action" and "Catholics for a Free Choice" who claim that their organizations are completely in line with Vatican II.
		But naive Catholics who think this is true help the devil do a double-whammy on the Church (first a liberal destruction of teaching and liturgy by disobedience to the Council, and second the removal of traditionalists from the arms of Holy Mother Church in their strong reaction against the first set of evils.
	www.love2learn.net /redflag/rfcfn.htm (877 words)

	The State News - www.statenews.com
		Mel belongs to a religious faith called "Catholic Traditionalist," an ultra-orthodox sect that views the contemporary Catholic Church as an illegitimate sellout to liberals and heretics.
		He augments those odd religious convictions with a belief that the Holocaust was mostly "fiction," that the Second Vatican Council was an anti-Christian plot by the Jews and Masons and that the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were not perpetrated by Saudi Muslims flying planes, but were instead orchestrated by a different party via remote control.
		Clearly, if Catholic Traditionalism is the correct path to salvation, Mel certainly was born with a "leg up" on the rest of us.
	www.statenews.com /print.phtml?pk=22543 (968 words)

	Friends of La Nef
		A blog promoting Catholic traditionalism and the Ecclesia Dei movement through orthodox, intelligent and non-polemical writing that remains respectful of the Church and her hierarchy.
		It is impossible for a Catholic to take a position for or against Trent or Vatican I. Whoever accepts Vatican II, as it has clearly expressed and understood itself, at the same time accepts the whole binding tradition of the Catholic Church, particularly the two previous councils.
		In the Catholic vision of living together as man and wife, you both agree that the essential purpose of your marriage is to help each other reach your goal of eternal life...
	friendsoflanef.blogspot.com (6773 words)

	Catholic Apologetics Books by Dave Armstrong: <Pensees on Catholic Traditionalism> (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-22)
		Catholic apologist and philosopher Peter Kreeft, in his delightful commentary on the Pensées, Christianity for Modern Pagans (San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 1993, 10-11), wrote insightfully about the organization and unfinished nature of Pascal’s Pensées, which he described as “raw pearls” and “scattered notes, like a scholar’s storm-struck study”:
		I have habitually put the word “traditionalism” in quotes because I think it is misused, similar to the ways in which a Catholic would regard “Enlightenment” or “dark ages” (as applied to the high middle ages) as misnomers and grossly inaccurate.
		The valid use of the word is simply as a synonym for “orthodoxy,” as traditionally practiced and developed and believed for 2000 years of Church history, and dogmatically upheld by the authority of the magisterium of the Catholic Church.
	ic.net /~erasmus/RAZ465.HTM (1379 words)

	Christopher Ferrara, Integrist, defender of schism, Integrism (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-22)
		He will attempt to show in his response that what was clearly said by the schismatic four was not said, in the same way that a lawyer might try to convince a wife that the woman found in flagrante with her husband was in fact a mirage.
		Ferrara's unenviable task (a paid lawyer must automatically file his counter-brief on behalf of his client, no matter how hopeless and miserable the case, as John Loughnan reminds us) is to convince people that his sect is guilty of none of the errors we attribute to them based on their own published words and works.
		Ferrara opposes the Indult mentality because it is Catholic, i.e., because it is in communion with, and approved by, the Vicar of Christ, and his (Ferrara's and Matt's) hermeneutics of suspicion, evasion and separation would rather frame the Pope as anti-catholic, with Michael Matt as the arbiter of truth now.
	www.tcrnews2.com /genferrara.html (4322 words)

	Return to The Remnant’s Main Page
		To be Catholic is synonymous, in fact, with being at war with the world, the flesh and the devil.
		Traditionalism has historically been all about Catholic opposition to conciliar novelty and liturgical “reform”; it has always been in some measure defined by what it is
		Traditionalism is clearly on the way up, not on the way down, while the corrupt Novus Ordo establishment is tottering toward ruin, its final collapse being hastened by the growing weight of endless priest-pedophile scandals.
	ourworld.compuserve.com /HOMEPAGES/REMNANT/camp1.htm (4634 words)

	SSPX Agenda
		Integrists are in doctrinal opposition to the Roman Catholic Church.
		Calkins address is very important, since it serves as an encouragement to Catholics who wish for liturgical reforms and a warning to those who have taken such a desire to extremes.
		In the case of the Catholic Missions Office of the Archdiocese of Chicago, the missionaries with whom they work appreciate the opportunity to say these Masses because the stipends for the Masses help with the priests' upkeep and their work.
	sspx.agenda.tripod.com (5019 words)

	Roman Catholic Traditionalism?
		The Catholic faith originates from the old Jewish religion.
		Catholics believe that Jesus of Nazareth who appeared on the earth some two thousand years ago was that expected redeemer, and because He was the 'Messiah' or 'Christ' (the anointed one), Catholicism is said to be Christian.
		A sacrifice is the offering of a victim (i.e., a person or thing) by a priest to God alone, and the destruction of it in some way, to acknowledge that He is the Creator and Lord of all things.
	www.geocities.com /catholic_traditionalist/basics.html (1501 words)

	Catholic Church Conservation
		Taken with the liturgical chaos in the Diocese of Linz, this means that at least two Austrian dioceses are out of control.
		Cathcon understands that all that remains to be fixed for a visit by Rowan Williams to meet the Pope is the date.
		was Catholic- just to prove it is not only anglicans and Lutherans who steal Churches from Catholics.
	www.cathcon.blogspot.com (2182 words)

	Seattle Catholic - Patriotism and Criticism: Allies, not Enemies
		If there is anyone within Catholic traditionalism who welcomes such a confrontation and the potentially catastrophic outcome it could well have — in short, if any traditionalists out there are yearning for Armageddon — all I can say is that there are plenty of evangelical rapturists ready to welcome you with open arms.
		The President apparently believes that once Saddam Hussein is gone, the U.S. will be able to put pressure on the Israelis to come to a final peace settlement with their neighbors and with the Palestinians.
		And even if such a policy were not obscenely immoral, it would inevitably be self-defeating, since a long string of military adventures, of the kind the neocons desperately want, will almost certainly lead to unimaginable catastrophe in the Middle East, and a growth in terrorist activity beyond our present ability to imagine.
	www.seattlecatholic.com /article_20030425.html (2040 words)

	Militant Secularists (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-22)
		Over the past year, ecumenism has become a hot topic in the debate between those who advocate a Catholic traditionalism in full communion with Rome, and those who would prefer to reject the Second Vatican Council and suspend their obedience to the Roman Pontiff.
		This was definitely an open invitation to ecumenical dialog between Catholics and Protestants, and the level of participation afforded to Protestants at the Council of Trent was greater than that afforded to them at the Second Vatican Council.
		Rather, Catholic ecumenism is solidly founded in Catholic Tradition, as handed down from previous ecumenical councils such as the Council of Florence and the Council of Trent.
	www.thewandererpress.com /b1-16-2003.htm (1395 words)

	Catholic Restoration Home Page
		Today John Paul is the antichrist; tomorrow he is the Vicar of Christ; the next day he is not Catholic; the following day he is the Holy Father.
		This is clearly a usurpation of the authority of the Catholic Church.
		It is clear that we would never have been able to accept this, and we would have had to break over this issue alone.
	www.catholicrestoration.org (919 words)

	Return to Remnant Page
		Here the Angelic Doctor was speaking precisely of St. Paul’s public rebuke of the first Pope for his scandalous conduct in betraying his mission to the Gentiles.
		The Remaking of the Catholic Church, the arch-liberal Richard P. McBrien noted this very phenomenon: “Criticism of the extreme right by moderate conservatives is far more effective than by moderate progressives.
		We have seen how the “conservative” Catholic tends to condemn the traditionalist Catholic for the latter’s instinctive opposition to novelty, failing to recognize that this instinct is as important to the health of the Church as the instinct of self-preservation is to the health of living creatures.
	ourworld.compuserve.com /HOMEPAGES/REMNANT/apologia.htm (7285 words)

	Cor ad cor loquitur
		Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much arguing, much writing, many opinions; for opinion in good men is but knowledge in the making.
		To the best of my knowledge, all of my theological writing is "orthodox" and not contrary to the official dogmatic and magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church.
		In the event of any (unintentional) doctrinal or moral error on my part having been undeniably demonstrated to be contrary to the Sacred Tradition of the Catholic Church, I will gladly and wholeheartedly submit to the authority and wisdom of the Church (Matthew 28:18-20; 1 Timothy 3:15).
	socrates58.blogspot.com /2005/09/dave-armstrong-protestant-evangelical.html (554 words)

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