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	Letter about John MacArthur Charismatic Chaos
		I have seen a Baptist book on church growth which recommends programming of only a few, "upbeat" hymns or choruses during a service and the total avoidance of slow, contemplative and minor-key hymns, in order to preserve a positive atmosphere for "decisions." So this is not just a charismatic problem.
		Charismatic leaders have created confusion by including instances of illumination, of guidance (as discussed below) and of new revelation all within the same term — "revelation knowledge." But you have adopted their confusion of concepts by, apparently, excluding the possibility of new revelation in terms so broad as to also prohibit illumination and guidance.
		With reference to chapter 3 of your book, I also agree with you that the marks of a true prophet must be the agreement of his message with the scriptures and, in the case of any claimed predictive prophecy, whether the prophet's predictions are fulfilled.
	www.christian-oneness.org /essays/macarthur.html (7113 words)

	Third Wave of the Holy Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		It is part of a larger movement known as the Neocharismatic movement.
		The Second "wave" occurred during the 1960s as the Charismatic movement spread throughout mainline Protestant denominations, as well as the Roman Catholic Church.
		Many critics argue that the third wave differs from the charismatic movement only in terminology, not in either theology or practice, so to distinguish between the two is to make a distinction without a difference.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Third_Wave_of_the_Holy_Spirit (541 words)

	Charismatic Chaos - Part 6 Part 6 in a series of messages examining the modern Charismatic movement- "The third Wave" ...
		They want to distance themselves from the Pentecostal, Charismatic excesses, and yet it seems to be true that the excesses that occurred in both the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements are very characteristic of the Third Wave as well.
		Third Wave books and Third Wave testimonies are filled with anecdotes about people who supposedly became Christians on the basis of some miracle they saw; some supernatural wonder they saw, with little or no mention of the gospel having been proclaimed to them.
		In fact, in the book, Power Evangelism, which was John Wimber's main book and sort of set this thing in motion (it's the main textbook on evangelism), there is no reference in that whole book to the cross of Christ or the doctrine of the atonement.
	www.believersweb.org /view.cfm?ID=332 (6791 words)

	Charismatic/Word-Faith Apologetic Links
		Charismatic Chaos and Speaking in Tongues - A rebuttal of John MacArthur's erroneous cessationist stance on the gift of speaking in tongues.
		A Response To Charismatic Chaos - This is a paper is written by Vineyard pastor Rich Nathan.
		Charismatic Chaos is a book which ridicules Charismatics and attempts to prove that the gifts and miracles of our Lord are not for today (a view better known as "cessationism").
	www.victoryword.100megspop2.com /links.html (5010 words)

	JOHN F. MacARTHUR 0038 (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		It is so much a part of the fabric of the Charismatic movement that it is one of the primary things that they endeavor to teach the children in that movement.
		Charismatic writers are constantly warning tongue speakers that they will suffer a "letdown." This is ascribed to the Devil and the reader is urged to get refilled as soon as possible.
		And there was total chaos, confusion, disorder, people pushing chairs back (as we told you before), falling on the floor, stretching out their limbs, falling over, fainting, all of that kind of chaos and confusion.
	www.ondoctrine.com /2mac0038.htm (8523 words)

	Amazon.com: Charismatic Chaos: Books: Dr. John F. MacArthur (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		Recognizing the importance of the charismatic movement and the need for a biblical evaluation of it, MacArthur analyzes the doctrinal differences between charismatics and non-charismatics in the light of Scripture.
		In Charismatic Chaos, John F. MacArthur calls for biblical evaluation and analyzes the doctrinal differences between charismatics and non-charismatics in the light of Scripture.
		Unfortunately, there is far too much of this abuse going on in charismatic circles, and if charismatics themselves do not publicly acknowledge the current state of the movement, then it is left to anti-charismatics like John MacArthur to do it for them, and that means an awful lot of unfairness and bias along with it.
	www.amazon.com /Charismatic-Chaos-Dr-John-MacArthur/dp/0310575729 (2285 words)

	A Response to Charismatic Chaos
		As a professor of theology at Regent University (a charismatic institution) Dr. Williams is a credible voice for the charismatic point of view regarding the authority of the Scripture.
		Charismatic chaos is usually not physically fatal, but the movement is littered with spiritual casualties.
		Charismatic Chaos, I am afraid, is unworthy of the teaching gift that God has given to John MacArthur and to the grace that has been so richly displayed in his church's life.
	www.geocities.com /Athens/Forum/5951/PP5.html (14321 words)

	Charismatic Chaos - By John MacArthur
		Worse, the entire Charismatic movement has absorbed the erroneous notion that whatever is truly spiritual, whatever is truly of the Spirit must somehow transcend or bypass a person's rational senses.
		That kind of ridiculous chaos that ends in the death of an elderly woman is not the power of God.
		Charismatic chaos is usually not so physically fatal, but it is spiritually fatal for many.
	www.biblebb.com /files/mac/chaos7.htm (6553 words)

	Pentecostal, Charismatic, Third Wave Movements
		Those associated with this movement do not wish to be labeled “Pentecostal”; or “charismatic.” Like the charismatic renewal, the Third Wave Movement is a renewal and revival movement.
		The book, Charismatic Chaos by John MacArthur can be read on-line (scroll down to the charismatic chaos section).
		Rick Joyner is a Third Wave teacher and has written many books including The Final Quest which is about Joyner's vision on what he sees is a civil war now underway in Christendom between those who support the new thing God is doing today (called the "move of God") and those who oppose it.
	www.believershome.com /html/pentecostal__charismatic__thir.html (1996 words)

	Challies Dot Com: Convergence
		The main premise of the book, as we might expect, is that on the whole Calvinists tend to have the theology but neglect the working of the Spirit.
		The book is clearly not an attempt to lead charismatics to the doctrines of grace, but is an attempt to lead Calvinists to accept charismatic teachings.
		Secondly, this book is also not primarily a biblical apologetic for charismatic teachings.
	www.challies.com /archives/001421.php (1426 words)

	A Theological Pilgrimage--Chapter 13 (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		Charismatics do not spend their time evacuating the plain teaching of Scripture by intellectualizing tongues, or claiming such as only an apostolic prerogative, or seeking to discover a scriptural cut-off time.
		Charismatics are humbly grateful that this biblical truth has come alive in their experience.
		Charismatics do not therefore begin with experience; rather, their experience is the outworking of scriptural truth.
	home.regent.edu /rodmwil/tp13.html (7189 words)

	Book Reviews
		To date this book is the most lucid explanation of the historical development and current beliefs of the Word of Faith Movement (WOF) within the Charismatic segment of the Body of Christ.
		By their silence and in many cases endorsement of Jesse's book I am fast coming to the sobering conclusion that the WOF ministers are almost totally bereft of any concept of sound doctrine.
		The ability of charismatic doctrines and practices to infiltrate denominational churches is too well documented from the past to be ignored in the future.
	www.discernment.org /bookreviews.htm (5483 words)

	John MacArthur - Theopedia
		His book The Gospel According to Jesus (1988) caused controversy in the evangelical church by arguing for Lordship salvation, which maintains that good works are a necessary result and evidence of being justified before God -- in opposition to the "easy-believism" he saw becoming rampant in the church.
		His book Charismatic Chaos (1992) argued that the theology and practice of Charismatics and Pentecostals regarding the "gifts of the Spirit" (healing, miracles, speaking in tongues, etc.) are incorrect at best and blasphemous at worst.
		Though occasionally viewed by some groups as a controversial figure for strong critiques of freudian psychology, trends in the modern charismatic movement as well as the self-esteem movement, MacArthur is seen by many as a champion of correcting many of the ills of evangelical Christianity.
	theopedia.com /John_MacArthur (495 words)

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		I have visited his services more than once, heard him preach more times than I'd like, and had to deal with at least one person who nearly abandoned their faith in Christ because they were not healed of an ailment when this man laid hands on him.
		I do have one beef with MacArthur, and it is one I will always have with him: I very much wish that his knowledge of the social and literary context of the Bible was at the same top-flight level as his mastery of the Greek language.
		If you are a Charismatic or a friend of one, as I have been, you owe it to yourself to read this book and make sure of your path.
	www.tektonics.org /books/macchchcrvw.html (276 words)

	Victory Thru The Word Book Review
		This has to be the most excellent book I have read in defense of Word of Faith doctrine.
		My only problems with this book is that it sometimes seems rushed in some areas and there is no easy reference if you want to look up a defense on a certain subject.
		Her book is not a defense of Word of Faith doctrine but she does include a couple of paragraphs where she expresses her appreciation for Kenneth Copeland, Jerry Savelle and others.
	www.victoryword.100megspop2.com /book_review.html (2097 words)

	Charismatic Chaos - Part 10 Part 10 in a series of messages examining the modern Charismatic movement- "Speaking in ...
		It was transcribed from the tape, GC 90-61, titled "Charismatic Chaos" Part 10.
		It is my intent and prayer that the Holy Spirit will use this transcription of the sermon, "Charismatic Chaos" Part 10, to strengthen and encourage the true Church of Jesus Christ.
		That's from Ben Bird (sp.) who wrote a book entitled, "The Truth About Speaking in Tongues." There are others who practice tongues and can turn the phenomena on and off mechanically, and without feeling anything emotional.
	www.believersweb.org /view.cfm?ID=336 (8758 words)

	Challies Dot Com: Book Review - Charismatic Chaos
		Though written over twenty years ago, this book is as relevant to the Christian world today as it was then.
		He does not waver in his view that the Charismatic teachings go directly against the pure simplicity of the gospel.
		While I agree that there is chaos in the charismatic realm, now more than 25 years ago, i don't doubt that God can still work in the lives of people today, just as much as he did in Biblical times
	www.challies.com /archives/000009.php (1123 words)

	Book Reviews by Troy Edwards
		This book will bless those who already believe in their hearts that Kenyon was a servant of the Lord Jesus Christ as it makes a scholarly, informative, and solid case.
		Snell, who is a former Southern Baptist Pastor turned Charismatic and who is proficient in the original Greek language, has written four books proving that Christians have been engrafted into the Abrahamic Covenant and are entitled to healing and prosperity.
		We are thankful to God for Rev. Bruno’s book, as it has restored the faith of millions of Christians who fell victim to Hanegraaff’s specious thesis.
	www.b2bablessing.org /reviews.htm (4035 words)

	Amazon.ca: Charismatic Chaos: Books: John F., Jr. MacArthur (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		This book is a re-issue (and updating) of MacArthur's 1978 book, "The Charismatics." The updating adds chapters regarding the Vineyard movement (well before the Toronto Blessing) and the Faith movement (Hagin-Copeland et al).
		His primary point is NOT that every charismatic believes in "holy tortillas" or has a picture of Jesus shone on their chest.
		It is a good book to have and a handy reference.
	www.amazon.ca /Charismatic-Chaos-John-Jr-MacArthur/dp/0310575729 (1185 words)

	JOHN F. MacARTHUR 0080 (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		There is no doubt that Charismatic teaching results in a considerable lowering of the credulity threshold of all its adherants.
		Once people have been mentally conditioned by a Charismatic environment, they are able to take seriously such amazing ideas as Oral Roberts claim to have seen a vision of Jesus 900 feet tall!
		The problem is this: "How do you tell the real from the counterfeit?" And the only answer I have to you, beloved, is to take it to the Word of God, and if it isn't there, it isn't real.
	www.ondoctrine.com /2mac0080.htm (6473 words)

	MacArthur & Hayford
		Hayford has authored more than two dozen books, and is also a prolific "hymn" writer, composing more than 400 popular charismatic "gospel songs, including "Majesty." The lyrics promote the false charismatic "kingdom now" philosophy in which Christians are thought to be able to exercise kingdom authority over sickness and the devil this present hour.
		In 1997, in Jack Hayford's book, Pastors of Promise: A Practical and Passionate Call for Faithful Shepherds (Gospel Light Publications), John MacArthur is found praising Hayford along with 29 other so-called "Christian" leaders (among whom are Neil Anderson, Robert Schuller, Bill Hypels, Chuck Colson, Bill Bright, James Ryle, Greg Laurie, and the late John Wimber).
		Nevertheless, Hayford is a promoter of this ecumenical, charismatic, psychologized men's movement.
	withchrist.org /MJS/hayford.htm (646 words)

	Charismatic Chaos (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		Many charismatics are bound up and tightly chained by their desire to see signs and wonders.
		In many charismatic services, everybody and their grandma is speaking in tongues, slaying in the spirit (not biblical), and laying hands on people they don't know.
		Falling down in the pulpit, laughing their heads off, slaying in the spirit (knocking people out with a touch), prophesying about church buildings, and speaking in tongues while nobody knows what they are saying.
	www.jesus-is-lord.com /charisma.htm (1520 words)

	My Search for Charismatic Reality - Neil Babcox
		Penfold Books is an international Christian book distributor dedicated to providing you with the best in Christian Books.
		The author of this unique book once pastored a charismatic church in Illinois (for 8 years).
		The soul-searching experiences of this ex-charismatic paster, which led him to reject his charismatic beliefs and practices, are all honestly and carefully documented.
	www.penfoldbooks.com /product/23/267 (306 words)

	Grace Books International
		Students from high school to the college level are faced with a challenge to their faith as teachers cite the traditional chronology as fact to discredit the biblical account of Exodus.
		Those who wish to defend their faith in the accuracy of the Bible now have hope in this exciting new book that provides an accurate and compelling new chronology that confirms the biblical account.
		The book also features the lyrics and music for each of the 30 hymns.
	www.gbibooks.com (946 words)

	False Teachers and the Vineyard
		Third Wave books and testimonies are filled with anecdotes about people who supposedly became Christians on the basis of some miracle they witnessed-with no mention of the gospel having been proclaimed to them.
		The last verse of this book, characterized by spiritual confusion, states: "…every man did that which was right in his own eyes."
		This is why we must "test the spirits." This is why it is clearly inappropriate to read some popular evangelical book, get the "warm fuzzies," and mimic some new and novel approach to evangelism or ministry.
	members.aol.com /cbsmith/servant2.html (1674 words)

	thoughts on spiritual gifts and the charismatic movement - ThirdDay.com Message Boards
		I dont believe the whole Charismatic movement is as this statement claims.
		the entire Charismatic movement has absorbed the erroneous notion that whatever is truly spiritual, whatever is truly of the Spirit must somehow transcend or bypass a person's rational senses.
		Jason, it appears that that quote came from the book "Charismatic Chaos".
	thirdday.com /boards/showthread.php?t=90542 (2015 words)

	MacArthur Praises Hayford! (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		In Jack Hayford's book, Pastor's of Promise (copyright 1997), MacArthur is found praising Mr.
		Hayford's book, under "Praise for Pastor's of Promise" (six pages of praise for Hayford and his book) MacArthur's quote reads (on the fourth page of quotes),
		"Lest you think cranks, obscure eccentrics, or naive charismatic believers are the only ones who would make such claims, listen to Jack Hayford, internationally known author, media minister, and pastor of The Church on the Way in Van Nuys, California.
	www.atruechurch.info /praiseshayford.html (405 words)

	Chaos Books, Book Price Comparison at 130 bookstores
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	www.bookfinder4u.com /search/Chaos.html (750 words)

	Pentecostal & Charismatic Resources (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
		The Charismatic Movement and Reformed Theology-by J. Rodman Williams
		A Response to "Charismatic Chaos"-Another rebuttal of John MacArthur's book, this one by Vineyard Pastor Rich Nathan
		Should you discover anything innapropriate on any of these sites, or if you find any of the links not working properly, please let us know.
	www.james-dave.com /ptheo.html (507 words)

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