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	What is consubstantiation?
		Consubstantiation essentially teaches that Jesus is "with, in, and under" the bread and wine - but is not literally the bread and wine.
		In Consubstantiation the wine is both wine and the blood of Jesus instead of becoming the actual blood of Jesus.
		Consubstantiation is held by some Eastern Orthodox churches, and some other liturgical Christian denominations (Episcopal and Lutheran as examples).
	www.gotquestions.org /consubstantiation.html (591 words)

	Consubstantiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		Consubstantiation is a theological doctrine that, like the competing theory of transubstantiation, attempts to describe the nature of the Christian Eucharist in concrete metaphysical terms.
		Transubstantiation differs from consubstantiation in that it postulates that through consecration, according to some, that one set of substances (bread and wine) is exchanged for another (the Body and Blood of Christ) or, according to others, that the reality of the bread and wine become the reality of the body and blood of Christ.
		Consubstantiation is commonly associated with the teachings of Martin Luther and Philipp Melanchthon, the latter actually employing the term with the approval of the former.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Consubstantiation (431 words)

	Consubstantiation - Theopedia
		Consubstantiation is a philosophical theory that, like the competing theory of transubstantiation, attempts to describe the nature of the Christian Eucharist in concrete metaphysical terms.
		Transubstantiation differs from consubstantiation in that it postulates that, through consecration by the priest, one set of substances (bread and wine) is exchanged for another (the Body and Blood of Christ) or that, according to some, the reality of the bread and wine become the reality of the body and blood of Christ.
		Consubstantiation is commonly—though erroneously—associated with the teachings of Martin Luther and Philipp Melanchthon.
	www.theopedia.com /Consubstantiation (302 words)

	Transubstantiation, Real Presence
		Consubstantiation is a teaching used to explain the Christian experience and conviction that Christ is truly present with his people in their celebration of the Eucharist.
		Consubstantiation was developed in the Lutheran wing of the Protestant Reformation during the 16th century.
		Unlike the doctrine of transubstantiation, however, that of consubstantiation asserts that the substance of the bread and wine is also unchanged, the ubiquitous body of Christ coexisting "in, with, and under" the substance of the bread, and the blood of Christ in, with, and under the wine, by the power of the Word of God.
	mb-soft.com /believe/text/transub.htm (3453 words)

	Consubstantiation: Definition and Links by Encyclopedian.com
		...Consubstantiation Consubstantiation Consubstantiation is one of the beliefs...the doctrine of Consubstantiation.
		Consubstantiation is one of the beliefs held by Christians about the Eucharist.
		It holds that during the sacrament the Body of Christ enters the bread, and the Blood of Christ enters the wine, but they continue to be also bread and wine.
	www.encyclopedian.com /co/Consubstantiation.html (263 words)

	KB's Conference Paper Repository
		Burke’s consubstantiation insists on a rhetoric of identity in order to achieve a sort of dialogic parity without risk to either party’s own substantial identity and thus generate a third truth relative (and acceptable) to each previously polarized side.
		Consubstantial rhetoric generates collaboratively the questions we wish to ask and discuss more so than the answers/truths we will abide by inasmuch as both rhetors must realize that complete closure is, quite simply, the end of dialogue and thus, total isolation.
		Burke’s consubstantiation and the rhetoric of identity are pivotal in the development of a dialogic pedagogy.
	www.cla.purdue.edu /dblakesley/burke/ciesielski.html (4991 words)

	Joel A. Brondos: Lutherans Deny Consubstantiation
		Salmasius (+1653): “Consubstantiation, or fusion of natures, is the commixtion of two substances as it were into one; but it is not this which the followers of Luther believe; for they maintain the co-existence of two substances distinct in two subjects.
		Consubstantiation, as the word indicates, means a combination of two substances in such a way that by being mixed together they are fused into one substance or mass, consisting of different ingredients.
		Consubstantiation is identified as “Lutheran” in The Harper Collins Encyclopedia of Catholicism of 1995.
	joelbrondos.worldmagblog.com /joelbrondos/archives/003188.html (10170 words)

	WELS Questions and Answers-- Communion - Real Presence
		I read your answer re:transubstantiation and consubstantiation (hope I spelled those right)and as I understood this: the bread and wine are present WITH the body and blood of Christ and in the other the body and blood of Christ are present but not the bread and wine.
		Consubstantiation is the false view that the bread and the body form a new substance in the sacrament or that the body and blood, like the bread and the wine are received in a natural manner.
		Consubstantiation is the false view that the bread and the body form one substance in the sacrament or that the body and blood like the bread and the wine are present in a natural manner.
	www.wels.net /sab/qa/commun-real-01.html (4124 words)

	Contarini, Gasparo
		CONSUBSTANTIATION: A technical term denoting the Lutheran view of the elements of the Lord's Supper, in contradistinction from the Roman Catholic view-- transubstantiation.
		Lutheran theologians repudiate the popular term "consubstantiation," in the sense of a permanent connection of the elements with the body and blood of Christ, confining this connection to the act of the communion.
		His own position is shown in a treatise on justification, composed at Ratisbon, which in essential points is Evangelical, differing only in the omission of the negative side and in being interwoven with the teaching of Aquinas.
	www.ccel.org /s/schaff/encyc/encyc03/htm/ii.xx.iii.htm (589 words)

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		A: This is an attempt to find a parallel to doctrine of Transubstantiation, the miraculous change by which (according to Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox) dogma the earthly elements of Holy Communion at their consecration become the body and blood of Christ while keeping only the appearances of bread and wine.
		Some use "Consubstantiation" (the elements are all present together) as an expression of the teaching of Luther and the Lutheran Church.
		Consubstantiation allows for some sort of mixing or proportioning of the elements, which is counter to Lutheran teaching and unknown to Scripture, so the term is generally rejected by our church.
	members.aol.com /walts9/askthepastor/0184.txt (862 words)

	Consubstantial with the Father (No. 81)
		The doctrine of Consubstantiality of Jesus Christ is held by Trinitarians in an incorrect manner to effectively deny the participation of the elect in the divine nature as co-heirs with Christ.
		The assumption that consubstantiality required the attributes of God to be conferred on Christ, namely co-eternality and co-equality together with the attributes of omnipotence and omniscience, is the fundamental error of Nicæa/Constantinople and Trinitarianism.
		Consubstantiability or the Son being of one substance with the Father was coupled with co-eternity with Him by J.H. Newman (ibid., Consubstantiality).
	www.logon.org /english/s/p081.html (16351 words)

	Glossary of Greek and Latin Terms used in Theology
		Consubstantiation is from the two Latin words [con], being the intensifying prefix meaning "with," and [substantia], which means substance.
		This is the teaching of the communion supper often attributed to Martin Luther, wherein the body and blood of Christ coexist or are present "with" the elements or "substance" of the bread and wine.
		This is in contrast to Consubstantiation, where Christians believe that the bread and body are "a combination of two substances." Transubstantiation is the belief that the Eucharist becomes the actual flesh and blood of Christ.
	www.mountainretreatorg.net /faq/glossary.html (6772 words)

	Lutheran Family
		Luther's understanding of the Eucharist is called “consubstantiation.” Christ is seen as present everywhere, but his presence is especially focused in the Eucharist.
		The consubstantiation doctrine also kept Lutherans from following the Reformed tradition, which sees Christ as solely being present spiritually in the Eucharist.
		Luther developed a form of worship with the structure of the Roman liturgy but emphasizing the vernacular in preaching, in the liturgy, and in hymns.
	jmahoney.com /lutheran.htm (462 words)

	Communion (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-20)
		The Catholic theology of transubstantiation and the Lutheran theology of consubstantiation are excellent examples.
		The whole theology of both transubstantiation and consubstantiation is based upon Jesus saying, "This is My body." He never actually says, "This is My blood," but, "This is the cup of the New Covenant in My blood." This is a point that people often miss in these discussions.
		Consubstantiation denies there is any change in the elements, but insists that the real body is present with the bread and the real blood is present with the wine.
	www.ariel.org /qcommuni.htm (341 words)

	What is your view on Holy Communion or the Lord
		Consubstantiation is the view that the elements of bread and wine remain the same while the real presence of Christ is with the bread and wine.
		This proves that the early church did not see any change in the elements but rather believed that the bread was still bread and the wine was still wine, yet the body and blood was “present” to heal and cleanse them.
		So I believe the more correct view would be consubstantiation, the word “con” means “with”, so the body and blood is “with” the bread and wine, but does not change the substance.
	www.tbm.org /what_is_your_view_on_holy_communion.htm (2371 words)

	In Search of Eucharistic Theology in the Episcopal Church (This Rock: June 1999)
		Consubstantiation, first defined by Martin Luther, asserts the coexistence of bread and wine with the Body and Blood of Christ in the consecrated Eucharist.
		This Lutheran doctrine was rejected by the Council of Trent when it defined the Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation, which means the bread and wine cease to exist and become instead the actual, corporeal Body and Blood of Christ.
		In my experience, those Episcopalians who did not believe in consubstantiation identified themselves as "Protestant," a term I was forbidden to use as a child when referring to the Anglican Communion.
	www.catholic.com /thisrock/1999/9906fea3.asp (1590 words)

	Spero Forum - Baptist, Protestant, and Catholic Discussion - Consubstantiation - is it tenable?
		The Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation is more tenable and more logical then the doctrine of Transubstantiation and that is why I accept the Luteran doctrine of Consubstantiation over the doctrine of Transubstantiation.
		The Lutheran doctrine of Consubstantiation means that Christ is present in, with and under the bread and the wine but the bread and the wine remain bread and wine and are not changed into the actual body and blood of Christ.
		I find Consubstantiation more tenable then Transubstantiation because it is more logical then Transubstantiation and based upon reality because the bread and wine when received in the Catholic Church looks like bread and wine, it does not look like the actual flesh and blood of Christ.
	www.speroforum.com /forum/topic.asp?whichpage=7&TOPIC_ID=2951鸇 (2252 words)

	CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Consubstantiation
		This heretical doctrine is an attempt to hold the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist without admitting Transubstantiation.
		319 sqq.) The great Schoolmen unanimously rejected Consubstantiation, but they differed in their reasons for doing so.
		Albertus Magnus, St. Thomas, and St. Bonaventure, maintained that the words, "This is my body", disproved it; while Alexander of Hales, Scotus, Durandus, Occam, and Pierre d'Ailly declared that it was not inconsistent with Scripture, and could only be disproved by the authority of the Fathers and the teaching of the Church (Turmel, Hist.
	www.newadvent.org /cathen/04322a.htm (810 words)

	Ursinus on The Lord's Supper
		These two classes of persons equally boast, that they understand the words of Christ in their natural sense, which, however, is far from being true; for the true simplicity and property of words is that to which, for a proper understanding and interpretation, nothing is added, taken away, or changed.
		We have already explained what is meant by ubiquity, and given a sufficient refutation of it in the exposition of the articles relating to the personal union of the two natures in Christ, his ascension into heaven, and sitting at the right hand of God the Father, to which we refer the reader.
		The ubiquitarians also acknowledge this in their writings, and have for this reason invented the doctrine of ubiquity, because they clearly saw that their views could not be sustained by the words of Christ; but would soon be overthrown if made to rest on this foundation.
	truecovenanter.com /worship/ursinus_heidelberg_catechism_ld_28-30.html (15961 words)

	Catholic Cloisters--Beliefnet.com (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-20)
		Also to note that those who teach consubstantiation believe that the bread and wine cease to be the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Christ after the service; that is, they are just simply bread and wine.
		The Council of Constance (1418) explicitly condemned Wycliffe's claim that "the substance of the material bread and in like manner the substance of the material wine remain in the Sacrament of the altar".
		Consubstantiation is certainly not compatible with defined Catholic belief, and one who obstinately held it would without doubt be a heretic.
	www.beliefnet.com /boards/message_list.asp?boardID=17845&discussionID=402071 (439 words)

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