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  Epimenides - LoveToKnow 1911
EPIMENIDES, poet and prophet of Crete, lived in the 6th century B.C. Many fabulous stories are told of him, and even his existence is doubted.
A collection of oracles, a theogony, an epic poem on the Argonautic expedition, prose works on purifications and sacrifices, and a cosmogony, were attributed to him.
Epimenides must be reckoned with Melampus and Onomacritus as one of the founders of Orphism.
www.1911encyclopedia.org /Epimenides   (901 words)

  
 Are all Cretan Liars as Epimenides the Exorcist says?
Epimenides, numbered by some among the seven wise men, was revered throughout Greece as one whom a heavenlier genius animated and inspired.
Epimenides complied with the prayer of the Athenians he arrived at Athens, and completed the necessary expiation in a manner somewhat simple for so notable an exorcist.
We assumed that Epimenides was a Cretan (p1) and a liar (p5).
www.mlahanas.de /Greeks/CretanLiars.htm   (1208 words)

  
 Semiotic Basis of Reflectivity in Life and Consciousness
Epimenides is an object which characterizes the whole system (via the manifestation of its essential property) being simultaneously belonged and non-belonged to it.
The system subdivides into levels (Epimenides and the Cretans are separated by the non-existence: Epimenides is a signifier, and the Cretans are signifiants).
From this the possibility arises for Epimenides not to be a liar (the Cretan is only the name which it is possible to abolish).
home.cc.umanitoba.ca /~igamberd/files/semiosis.html   (6111 words)

  
 The Epimenides Paradox
The so-called "Liar Paradox," or "Epimenides Paradox," is really the cornerstone of a whole family of paradoxes of the type known as "liar paradoxes".
Similarly, with the above version of the Epimenides paradox, all that follows is that Epimenides is a liar and that at least one Cretan is truthful.
Now, if Epimenides were the only Cretan, then we would indeed have a paradox, just as we would have if a sole inhabitant of an island of knights and knaves said that all inhabitants of the island were knaves (which would be tantamount to saying that he is a knave, which is impossible).
david.tribble.com /text/liar.htm   (547 words)

  
 epimenides
Epimenides was a Greek philosopher and prophet who lived around 6 th century BC on the island Knossos (now known as Crete).
This is probably where the origin of the famous Epimenides' paradox lies: the lie being that the Cretans lied that Zeus was dead or/and mortal.
Epimenides' skin was preserved and kept at the court of Sparta and for a long time it was considered to bring good luck to the warriors.
www.mathsisgoodforyou.com /people/Epiminides.htm   (289 words)

  
 Honesty is the Best Policy, Aug '97   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
She really liked Epimenides and wished that he would be as truthful to her as she was to him.
After thus cursing Epimenides, Kalanos didn't listen to a single word of explanation or apology and left in a huff to join a group of attendants waiting on him to be taken to his living quarters.
It is no surprise therefore, that Epimenides began to be called a pessimist who always had dreary visions of the future since he always predicted the worst (knowing that by doing so he would have averted it).
www.speech.sri.com /people/anand/art/honesty.html   (2260 words)

  
 Cretan Paradox
The Cretan Paradox is attributed to the Cretan poet Epimenides [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epimenides_paradox].
Epimenides the Cretan says "All Cretans are liars." This statement, because it was uttered by a Cretan, is true if and only if it is false.
The Epimenides statement was clearly an attempt, however flawed, to exhibit a logical antinomy.
c2.com /cgi/wiki?CretanParadox   (701 words)

  
 Apologetics Press - Epimenides' Paradox: A Logical Discrepancy In Titus 1:12?
However, when Paul spoke to Titus concerning his mission on the island of Crete, some critics have suggested that the apostle committed a logical fallacy by quoting the Cretan poet Epimenides: “One of them, a prophet of their own, said, ‘Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.’ This testimony is true” (Titus 1:12-13a).
This is a form of the logical paradox commonly known as Epimenides’ Paradox: “A Cretan said, ‘All Cretans are liars.’ ” If, as Paul affirms, this statement is true, then the statement is false because a Cretan, who is a liar, made it.
Epimenides had made a hyperbolic statement regarding the conduct of the people of Crete, and Paul was agreeing with him in order to point out to Titus the difficulty facing the Cretan elders.
www.apologeticspress.org /articles/620   (489 words)

  
 Chapter Epimenides <i>to</i> Ereenia of E by Brewer's Readers Handbook
Epimenides of Cr ete, sometimes reckoned one of the “seven wise men of Greece” in the place of Periander.
Epimenidês lived 289 years, and was adored by the Cretans as one of their “Curetês” or priests of Jove.
A nymph who loved Epimenides gave him a draught in a bull’s horn, one single drop of which would not only cure any ailment, but would also serve for a hearty meal.
www.bibliomania.com /2/3/174/1115/14669/1.html   (533 words)

  
 Emptybottle.org: Pointing
Epimenides was a Cretan, and the paradox that bears his name goes like so :
Of course, if the statement is true, then Epimenides is a liar, and thus the statement is false.
It would be possible, of course, to build a group of 3 or 4 or more sentences, each of which in isolation is perfectly acceptable, but which as a group leads us into botheration again.
emptybottle.org /glass/2002/06/pointing.php   (531 words)

  
 Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, page 38 (v. 2)   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
But Epimenides refused the money, and only de­sired that a friendship should be established be­tween Athens and Cndssus.
These notions about Epimenides were propagated throughout antiquity, and it was probably owing to the great charm at­tached to his name, that a series of works, both in prose and in verse, were attributed to him, though few, if any, can be considered to have been genu­ine productions of Epimenides; the.
There was also,a Letter on the Constitution which Minos had given to Crete ; it was said to have been addressed by Epimenides to Solon ; it was written in the modern Attic dialect, and was proved to be spurious by Demetrius of Magnesia.
www.ancientlibrary.com /smith-bio/1146.html   (908 words)

  
 Death Ends Fun: This title is complet
Epimenides, who lived in Crete many centuries ago, might have been like most of his contemporaries: long dead and forgotten.
Epimenides could never have imagined his link through the centuries to a German mathematician called Kurt Gödel. You see, I am sure that last sentence is true.
Epimenides may be a liar but that does not necessarily make all Cretans liars -- hence the statement can still be false.
dcubed.blogspot.com /2005/06/this-title-is-complet.html   (1566 words)

  
 Epimenides' Paradox: Was Paul Inspired?
Epimenides was a Cretan who said: "All Cretans are liars".
Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth.
One of the interesting things is that Paul quote the Epimenides' Paradox, specifying that the speaker himself was a Cretan.
www.islamic-awareness.org /Bible/Text/paul.html   (338 words)

  
 Evotional.com - Originality, Authenticity, Creativity
When Epimenides arrived in the city he was astounded by all of the idols.
Epimenides then ordered that the sheep, both the fl and white sheep, be released to graze.
He then prayed aloud to the unknown god, acknowledging their ignorance, and asked that the unknown god make either the white sheep or fl sheep lay down, and those sheep would be sacrificed to him.
www.evotional.com /2004/05/mars-hill.html   (993 words)

  
 The Paradox of the Liar
This paradox known as the Paradox of the Liar is usually attributed to Epimenides - although it was actually devised by Eubilides.
A tempting way out is to suppose that the problem is to do with the notion of self-reference, that Epimenides was referring to himself when he said 'All Cretans are liars'.
Perhaps by now you may be thinking that the problem is that such utterances as Epimenides' and the other versions given above are not true or false but meaningless, that they may, on the surface, appear to make sense but really have no more meaning than the nonsense verse of Lewis Carroll.
www.philosophers.co.uk /cafe/paradox1.htm   (460 words)

  
 Interordi.com Message Board - Chit-Chat - The Liar
Either case appears to give rise to a logical contradiction; it cannot be the case either that what the man says is true or that what the man says is false.
The Liar Paradox is sometimes referred to as “Epimenides’ Paradox”, after the sixth-century B.C. Cretan who asserted that all Cretans are liars.
His statement could be false however; it could be that Epimenides is dishonest but that not all Cretans are liars.
www.interordi.com /mboard/topic.php?id_topic=9707   (526 words)

  
 BBC - h2g2 - The Liar's Paradox
A philosopher from Crete named Epimenides is completely and utterly not at all contented with his fellow citizens and exclaims 'All Cretans are liars!'.
If Epimenides' statement is false, then it would be possible to pop your sandals on and sail over to Crete to find a Cretan who sometimes tells the truth.
Because Epimenides didn't contradict himself in the second case (when he was lying), the statement 'All Cretans are liars' coming from a Cretan implies that there is at least one Cretan who isn't a liar.
www.bbc.co.uk /h2g2/guide/A471449   (477 words)

  
 Thelemapedia: The Encyclopedia of Thelema & Magick | Noah   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
According to Digenes Laertius, a Greek author of the third century A.D., Epimenides, a certain Cretan hero, responded to a request borne to him from Athens by a man called Nicias, asking him to advise the city of Athens in the matter of a plague.
Epimenides' apparent purpose was to give any god concerned in the matter of the plague an opportunity to reveal his willingness to help by causing sheep that pleased him to lie down to rest as a sign that he would accept those sheep if they were offered in a sacrifice.
Since there would be nothing unusual about sheep laying down apart from one of their usual grazing periods, presumably Epimenides conducted his experiment early in the morning, when the sheep would be at their hungriest.
www.thelemapedia.org /index.php/Noah   (1432 words)

  
 Epimenides’ Paradox Revisited » Bismika Alllahuma
In response to our argument that Paul’s fumbling of the Epimenides paradox is proof that the ad-hoc “apostle” was not inspired after all, one Christian has raised an objection.
The attempted rebuttal acknowledges the paradoxical nature of Epimenides’ statement, but then makes the bizarre claim that Paul’s statement is true nonetheless due to other elements attributed to the Cretan &#8220;prophet”; by the “apostle”.
Just because Epimenides’ statement is nonsensical when uttered by a Cretan does not necessarily mean it is absolutely false - the manner in which Paul refers to it.
www.bismikaallahuma.org /archives/2005/epimenides-paradox-revisited   (1039 words)

  
 Christmas on Mars Hill
Epimenides returned, "Well, maybe that's your problem." The next morning Epimenides stood before the council on Mars Hill, along with a flock of choice, hungry sheep that he had requested the night before.
Epimenides replied, "That's my third assumption: that this god is so great and so good that if we call upon his name, he will smile on our ignorance as long as we acknowledge that ignorance before him."
Epimenides instructed them to build an altar on the spot and inscribe it to Agnos Theo, the Unknown God.
www.leaderu.com /marshill/mhr01/cmas1.html   (6845 words)

  
 Preface
Twenty seven centuries ago, five generations before the "golden age" was to begin, there was an "Orphic-cleanser and initiator" named Epimenides, the most spiritual of the Seven Sages, who was known to carry the epithet Eleutherios.
Though little history was kept, it was particularly noted that Epimenides, "greatest master of all the magically gifted men" came to a plagued-filled Athens and engaged in "potent religious ceremonies of which his wisdom alone knew the secrets."
Epimenides, the Initiator, hailed from Eleuthernai, "ancient Orphic centre of Kathartic (Purifying) wisdom," near the cave of Zeus on Mt. Ida above the Minoan expanse.
www.frankmarrero.com /view/preface.htm   (1653 words)

  
 ripebastard: As I sat here thinking about downloading the new iTunes
"Epimenides paradox" is often considered an equivalent or interchangeable term for "liar paradox" and it is also the kind of supposed "liar paradox" that is best known to the general public.
While Epimenides's words were stated substantially earlier than Eubulides's, it is likely that Epimenides did not intend them to be understood as a kind of liar paradox.
Little is known about the circumstances in which he made them; the original poems containing them have been lost and the only confirmed record of them is St. Paul quoting them in the Epistle to Titus (where they were arguably also not intended as a paradox).
ripebastard.livejournal.com /604220.html   (495 words)

  
 Beyond Pentad to Hexad
My contribution is to not only sort out their approaches but to assert that Frame is Burke's sixth element of Dramatism, which renders his Pentad a Hexad.
Epimenides (6th Century B.C.) said, ""All Cretans are liars...One of their own poets has said so" (Prior, 1958).
Participants are invited to strike a pose of oppression, ten animate it, as spectators give their interpretations of the action, motives, and attitudes.
cbae.nmsu.edu /~dboje/qm/addons/beyond_pentad_to_hexad.htm   (4748 words)

  
 Ephilosopher :: Puzzles and Paradoxes :: Irrational Truth 101   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Clearly Epimenides cannot be telling the truth, if we assume that he means that all Cretans always lie, for then he would himself be lying in making that statement, which would mean that he was not telling the truth.
However, the "this" in the expression doesn't have to refer to the expression itself and with the information given, the only thing other than itself to which it could refer, is the identically worded paradox, the two distinct sentences co-exist within the same expression.
Since there is no way for Epimenides to know whether or not every Cretan is a liar- his statement must be a lie.
www.ephilosopher.com /phpBB_14-action-viewtopic-topic-3590.html   (1198 words)

  
 Epimenides   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
'''Epimenides''' of Knossos (Crete) was a semi-mythical 6th century BC Greek seer and philosopher-poet, who is said to have fallen asleep for fifty-seven years in a Cretan cave sacred to Zeus, after which he reportedly awoke with the gift of prophecy.
The "lie" of the Cretans is that Zeus was mortal; Epimenides considered Zeus immortal.
The second line is quoted, with a veiled attribution ("a prophet of their own"), in the Epistle to Titus, chapter 1, verse 12, to warn Titus about the Cretans.
epimenides.kiwiki.homeip.net   (534 words)

  
 Muhammad & Islam :: Jesus & Christianity   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Epimenides cannot be telling the truth, but he may be lying: the truth may be that some Cretans, including Epimenides, are liars, but not all.
Epimenides Paradox -- from MathWorld A version of the liar's paradox, attributed to the philosopher Epimenides in the sixth century BC.
One of their own poets has said so." Another version can be found in the Bible, Titus 1, verse 12-13: "One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
muhammad-jesus.blogspot.com   (1416 words)

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