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	erastes
		An erastes was a man of majority age, usually between twenty-one and thirty years of age, who was both the lover and teacher of an adolescent or young adult male, called an eromenos.
		In Athens and some other areas, custom forbade the erastes from ever being the passive partner in sex, the theory being that doing so meant he was "less of a man" than the boy he was supposed to be preparing for manhood.
		In every case, the erastes was expected to remember that his relationship with his eromenos was intended as a compliment to his married life and not a substitute.
	outcyclopedia.0catch.com /erastes.html (344 words)

	glbtq >> social sciences >> Greece: Ancient
		The lover (erastes, plural erastai) was aggressive in pursuit; the younger loved one (eromenos, plural eromenoi) had to be courted with gifts and told in verse how handsome and desirable he was.
		The sexual role of the erastes was perceived as active, that of the eromenos as passive.
		One might suppose, rightly, that the inequality favored the boy; for while the erastes was a suppliant, the boy was free to respond or not--one of the most common topics of pederastic verse is the arrogant, unresponsive boy.
	www.glbtq.com /social-sciences/greece_ancient.html (725 words)

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		I heard my erastes' fast grunting, the one he does just as he starts to shoot, and I had to shove hard and deep, as the stars burst inside my head.
		My erastes gently kissed me, before tenderly mounting me. It wasn't very long at all before the gods touched us, and My Hadrian was giving me his life force.
		It was just us and our erastes, but with six boys wanting the attention of one man, it did get a little wild.
	www.nifty.org /nifty/gay/historical/my-hadrian/my-hadrian-12 (2187 words)

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		A potential erastes was normally 20 to 30 years old: contemporary society regarded anyone older than that and still pursuing boys as odd or eccentric, and censured and ridiculed him, but older men did not suffer legal threats or consequences.
		Having an erastes brought honor and prestige to an eromenos, and the higher the social status of the erastes, the greater the honor and prestige.
		Alternatively, as the erastes did what he did, the eromenos could pray to Aphrodite, the goddess of physical love, thanking her for her gift of physical beauty and gladly considering that he was obliging his duty to her rather than to his erastes.
	www.truthtree.com /pederasty.shtml (5939 words)

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		My erastes was taking short fast strokes as I screamed and jerked under him as the gods sent spasm after spasm throughout my body.
		As we traveled, my erastes told me about how 175 years ago, Julius Caesar defeated the Helvetii (Swiss) and their allies when they begun moving on Roman territories.
		That night when we made love my erastes wanted to be on the bottom, and after I had put plenty of oil in and around his love chute, he put oil lovingly on my dick.
	www.asstr.org /nifty/gay/historical/my-hadrian/my-hadrian-15 (2504 words)

	Encyclopedia: Pederasty (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		Less frequently, intercrural intercourse is depicted, where the erastes is shown inserting his penis between the thighs of the younger one.
		Only very rarely is anal sex suggested or shown, though there are literary and epigraphic indications suggesting it was more common.
		Dover states that the eromenos was not "supposed" to feel desire for the erastes, as that would be unmanly.
	www.nationmaster.com /encyclopedia/Pederasty (9867 words)

	04-05von (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		She claims that scenes of pederasty between male citizens in which the erastês offers a money pouch to a younger male ought to be distinguished from citizen encounters with female prostitutes in which we might see a similarly offered pouch (pp.
		Pouches are therefore 'symbolic details describing the erastês and his attitude to the erômenos and not the social status of the erômenos' and thus the passive partner is not necessarily a boy prostitute.
		The erastês might be too aggressive, the erômenos too keen and the symbolic gift could quickly become a payment for sexual-services-rendered thus transforming erômenos into pornos (as he behaves like a slave) with disastrous political and legal ramifications even if the initial context was an acceptable one.
	www.classics.und.ac.za /reviews/0405von.htm (2156 words)

	History of sex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		A mature man would usually not have a mature male mate, though there frequent exceptions (among whom Alexander the Great) but he would be the erastes (lover) to a young eromenos (loved one).
		Dover suggests that it was considered improper for the eromenos to feel desire, as that would not be masculine.
		Some research has shown that ancient Greeks believed semen to be the source of knowledge, and that these relationships served to pass wisdom on from the erastes to the eromenos.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/History_of_heterosexuality (6715 words)

	Homoseksuelle i Athen
		Eromenos stammer fra det græske erán, der betyder "at være forelsket i", og betegner således den unge dreng, der er forelsket i den ældre mand, erastes.
		Erastes er den aktive, givende partner, der såvel seksuelt som intellektuelt bidrager til eromenos' opdragelse, hvorimod eromenos er den passive modtager.
		I forholdet mellem erastes og eromenos var rollerne klart fordelt.
	www.larsbrandstrup.dk /athen.htm (4995 words)

	History of the Gay Community - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		However, Kenneth J. Dover has claimed that such relationships did not replace marriage between man and woman, but occurred before and beside it.
		A mature man would never have a mature male mate, one notable exception being Alexander the Great, but he would be the erastes (lover) to a young eromenos (loved one).
		In recent times, the research by Dover has been questioned in light of evidence of love poetry which suggests a more emotional connection than earlier researchers liked to acknowledge.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/History_of_the_Gay_Community (1187 words)

	Päderastie - netlexikon
		Erastes), "Liebenden, Liebhaber", die oft wesentlich älter waren und für die es theoretisch keine Altersgrenze gab.
		Die Möglichkeit, in einer Beziehung Eromenos und in einer anderen Erastes zu sein, war dabei durchaus gegeben und oft mündeten die päderastischen Bindungen in eine lebenslange Freundschaft.
		War die Werbung erfolgreich, genoss der Erastes ein hohes gesellschaftliches Ansehen.
	www.lexikon-definition.de /Paederastie.html (1341 words)

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		That night as we went to bed, I told my erastes I was going to suck on his cock like he had never been sucked before.
		My erastes might not be as young as he once was, but he is still as strong as a bear.
		My erastes was moaning and they were standing tall before I moved on.
	www.asstr.org /nifty/gay/historical/my-hadrian/my-hadrian-16 (2381 words)

	Alexander the Great's forum (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		While it is common in modern gay literature for Hephaistion to be portrayed as the erastes and Alexander the eromenos or 'beloved' in fact, that would not have been the case.
		Alexander's status in Macedonian society would not have allowed him to be anyone's eromenos as the only one who held a higher societal position was his own father, Philip.
		Hephaistion is often thought to be the elder and that being given as a reason for him possibly being an erastes, but in fact, the only mention of his age is by Curtius who says he was of the same age group as Alexander.
	www.pothos.org /forum/showmessage.asp?messageID=20351 (141 words)

	BMC Graduate Symposium- Minna Canton Duchovnay, Framing the Scholar: K. J. Dover and Greek Homosexuality
		Erastes is the term used for the active participant.
		Dover's handling of the literary evidence is questioned as is his interpretation of the relationship between the erastes and the eromenos.
		I offer the suggestion that perhaps Dover is the erastes and his study the eromenos.
	www.brynmawr.edu /archaeology/guesswho/duchovnay.html (2563 words)

	GRS 80: Student Submissions (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		Since boys were usually approached by men of higher status, they could gain connections and status for themselves and their families (58-9).
		Both claim that the the erastes is usually of a higher status than his eramenos.
		However, roles become reversed when the erastes lowers himself to suppliant and seeks the favors of his eramenos.
	www.dartmouth.edu /~grs80/papers/DianaWheeler919533758.html (321 words)

	Molly Forrest
		In the male homoerotic relationships of ancient Greece, the older male was always the erastes (pursuer) and the younger the eromenos (the pursued), the distinction being only the existence of facial hair (Bing and Cohen, 72).
		The erastes actively sought after the eromenos to form a sexual bond, wishing to "penetrate" the younger man. But the beard meant a difference not only in physical roles, but emotional roles as well.
		The eromenos was supposed to be desirable to the erastes, which was seen as a compliment and honor, but for the eromenos to feel passion himself was not accepted and considered womanly (Bing and Cohen, 72).
	www.acad.carleton.edu /curricular/CLAS/courses/CL114/special/Molly_Serena.htm (776 words)

	Homosexuality
		Hence the cultural ideal of a same-sex relationship was between an older man, probably in his 20's or 30's, known as the erastes, and a boy whose beard had not yet begun to grow, the eromenos or paidika.
		The erastes had to show that he had nobler interests in the boy, rather than a purely sexual concern.
		There is also evidence that penetration was often avoided by having the erastes face his beloved and place his penis between the thighs of the eromenos, which is known as intercrural sex.
	plato.stanford.edu /entries/homosexuality (6564 words)

	[No title] (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		On one side the erastes (older, active lover) is bearded and wears a wreath while the eromenos (younger 'beloved', passive) is a beardless youth.
		In the background is a draped textile, and a kithara (lyre) resting on a chest.
		In the scene on the other side the erastes is beardless, while the eromenos is just a boy.
	www.thebritishmuseum.ac.uk /compass/ixbin/print?OBJ5831 (395 words)

	Greek homosexuality
		They appear not to be of the same age: the erastes has a beard and plays an active role, whereas the adolescent has no beard and remains passive.
		For example, not every older erastes had a beard, and it turns out to be a modern fairy tale that the younger eromenos was never aroused.
		From now on, we find no vase paintings on which the erastes offers money to an eromenos anymore, which shows that these paintings are more or less realistic representations of what actually happened.
	www.livius.org /ho-hz/homosexuality/homosexuality.html (2339 words)

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		My erastes took the sketch away from him, and telling me to lift my head, drew what he wanted the man to sculpt.
		My erastes told me about how Rhodes rose from the depths of the sea as a precious gift from Zeus, the father of all the gods and humans, to his son Apollo, the God of Light and Sun.
		My erastes rolled me onto my back, and got over me. My hard aching cock was sucked into his mouth, as I swallowed his down my throat.
	www.nifty.org /nifty/gay/historical/my-hadrian/my-hadrian-8 (3917 words)

	shapiro (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		Scenes of a mature bearded lover (erastes) wooing a younger lover (eromenos) are popular on Attic vases from ca.
		the age difference may be only a couple of years, the erastes now a youth himself, with only the beginnings of a fluffy beard, and the formulaic gesture in fl-figure of the erastes chucking the chin of his eromenos is in red-figure often replaced by the two partners preparing to kiss.
		To explore this proposition, I consider a recently published vase in Malibu by Smikros that depicts Euphronios and Leagros as erastes and eromenos, along with a group of vases painted by Euphronios that name Leagros in various sympotic and erotic contexts.
	www.apaclassics.org /AnnualMeeting/99mtg/abstracts/shapiro.html (241 words)

	God's Book of Eskra: Chapter XIX (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		GOD called up Erastes, prince of messengers, and he said unto him: Thou hast heard the words of thy God and of Taenas.
		Take therefore thirty thousand and four hundred messengers, that is, one for each and all of my remaining kingdoms, and go and proclaim the same unto them, that they, having due notice, may manage their affairs with wisdom and foresight.
		And he saluted and withdrew, going to the palace of the messengers, and choosing his hosts, whom he instructed in regard to the message.
	www.sacred-texts.com /oah/oah/oah502.htm (304 words)

	eromenos
		Eromenos mean literally, "beloved," a term used in ancient Athens and Sparta to refer to a youth loved by an older man, known as his erastes.
		While erotic love between males of the same age was usually considered abnormal and even ridiculed by most Greeks in antiquity, male love which crossed generations was considered quite normal and even a duty on the part of the older male, who acted not only as the lover but also the teacher of the youth.
		A young male might have many male suitors, of whom he would choose one to be his erastes.
	outcyclopedia.0catch.com /eromenos.html (416 words)

	Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2002.10.32
		Vase paintings show animal gifts, such as cocks, hares, etc, from the erastes to the eromenos, and these details are well known as expressions of pederastic courtship.
		At the same time, Barringer is innovative as she convincingly shows that there is sometimes a complex and ambiguous relationship where the hunter, the erastes, becomes the hunted.
		Through the power possessed by the eromenos, by virtue of the desire he inspires, or more directly through the direct presence of Eros, the polar relationship between erastes and eromenos shifts to an interchangeable relationship where hunter and hunted change places.
	ccat.sas.upenn.edu /bmcr/2002/2002-10-32.html (1837 words)

	Daniel N
		In turn, the the erastes is better off with a virtuous boyfriend (eromenos) who will stay loyal to him.
		The erastes feels betrayed and regretful that this boy he cares for appears headed for dangerous risks implying htta he expects honorable behavior.
		The poems of Theognis and Anacreon are all written from the perspective of the erastes, that is the older lover.
	www.acad.carleton.edu /curricular/CLAS/courses/CL114/special/Dan.htm (1631 words)

	Seeing the Past: The Grooming of Athletes: Seeing in the Greek Symposium (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		The constant is that the erastes is always shown as older, by means of their greater height, and their greater amount of facial hair, in varying degrees.
		While there also exist images in which the erastes is gratified in winning the affections of a youth, the proliferation of images of refusal may speak to the concern that the eromenos maintain his own self-mastery, in preparation for becoming a citizen who exhibits the proper svfrosÊnh.
		This dressing of oneself is a way of exhibiting one’s aidos, or respectful modesty, also remarked upon by Xenophon in his sympotic text, and implies that the young men are preparing to head out to their own symposium, perhaps in celebration of the games.
	traumwerk.stanford.edu:3455 /31/326 (8377 words)

	Homosexualidad en Grecia Antigua
		(Erastes significa "amante", aplicable tanto a relaciones homosexuales, heterosexuales, componente maduro de la pareja, activo).
		Un eromeno no buscaba ni esperaba placer sexual del contacto con un erastes.
		La penetración anal dentro de esas normas de comportamiento entre erastes y eromenos era rechazad, era tratada como un acto agresivo.
	www.islaternura.com /APLAYA/HOMOenHISTORIA/HomoGrecia.htm (710 words)

	[No title] (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		Athenian customs are ambiguous; the erastes is both encouraged and hindered in his attempts to conquer his eromenos: the latter is blamed if he surrenders too quickly or for the wrong reasons to the erastes.
		Pausanias thinks that this ambiguity is due to the necessity of distinguishing between the lover who desires only the body of the beloved and the lover who, on the contrary, aims at improving the knowledge of the beloved.
		Homosexuality is permissible only when the intention of both the erastes and the eromenos is honest.22 In Lacan’s opinion, Pausanias’ speech is important only insofar as it is “derisory”:23 Aristophanes has hiccups and is not able to speak when his turn comes since he has been laughing throughout its entire duration.
	www.janvaneyck.nl /~clic/documents/Leressortdelamour.doc (8468 words)

	Lecture Notes Humanities 1A Fall 2002 (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-16)
		Erastes: older lover, usually around 20 years old
		Eromenos: young one being courted, when beard began to grow, you should no longer be eromenos.
		Erastes was supposed to be the one in love
	www.sjsu.edu /depts/jwss/hum1a/Lect-19a.html (151 words)

	Pharsea : Going Greek
		In the erastes - eromanos relationship, the student was inculcated with skills in domination.
		Paul wanted to condemn not only pederasty, but all forms of homosexuality, so he could not have used the words erastes and eromanos because to do so would have apparently limited his condemnation to pederasty.
		However, current scholarship indicates that the terms "erastes and eromanos" were not used exclusively for the boy-man, subordinate dominant relationship.
	www.geocities.com /pharsea/Greeks.html (1149 words)

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