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	Joe Wolfe - music page
		The scientific chamber opera (Speech and music, effability and ineffability), which I was sure would only ever have one performance at its premiere at the International Conference on Music Perception and Cognition, was performed again this year, in revised version, at the International Conference on Cognitive Science.
		Speech and music, effability and ineffability is a chamber opera, performed as a plenary session at the International Conference on Cognitive Science, held at Sydney in 2003.
		Although the debate was about as serious as one might expect from an opera, the issues discussed are scientifically interesting and the background paper from the proceedings is on the same site.
	www.phys.unsw.edu.au /~jw/Joe.html (527 words)

	Ineffability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		To say that something is "ineffable" means that it cannot or should not, for overwhelming reasons, be expressed in spoken words.
		It is generally used to describe a feeling, concept or aspect of existence that is too great to be adequately described in words, or that inherently (due to its nature) cannot be conveyed in dualistic symbolic human language, but can only be known internally by individuals.
		Ken Wilber describes the ineffable in A Brief History of Everything as being akin to climbing a ladder then pulling it up after oneself.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Ineffability (314 words)

	Thoughts on the Ineffability of the Mystical Experience
		If this is so, and if at least some of the ineffability of the mystical experience is attributable to a shift from figure to ground—or a shift from center to margin of the field of awareness—then we would expect to find that mystical experiences contain content and processes that complement those of ordinary consciousness.
		Still another contributor to ineffability may be the absence of sufficient transfer of what is experienced, learned, or remembered from the conditions of the mystical experience to those of our more ordinary states of consciousness.
		Poor transfer of expression of what was experienced in a mystical “state” may be, in part, attributable to the physiological and psychological differences between the mystical state of consciousness in which the knowing occurred and the ordinary state of consciousness in which retrieval and expression of this knowledge are attempted.
	www.hermes-press.com /Hypnosis/braud_mystical.htm (6933 words)

	Ineffability
		Immediately psychotherapeutic writing does try to eff the ineffable – and it does so all too often – it becomes yet another cultural influence turning us inside-out, and the result is a kind of sickening intrusion; at best a seductive sentimentality, at worst a violation of interiority.
		I would say, though, that there is nothing necessarily ‘higher’ about the ineffably subjective: it is a mode of experience we all know and which as much informs the clumsy, banal and destructive as it does the rare, sublime and healing.
		So in my view our best bet as far as our vocational discourse is concerned is to focus on the public world in which we are embodied (and which we can discuss in a common language) and leave our privacy (and our souls) in peace.
	home.freeuk.net /davidsmail/ineff.htm (1788 words)

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		For Kant the sublime "is to be found in an object even devoid of form, so far as it immediately involves, or else by its presence provokes, a representation of %limitlessness%, yet with a super-added thought of its totality" (90).
		The deadpan summation of this passage is the sentence "Raymo, Wayne and Frank had never been to Dallas and they wondered what this creep could mean" (382), but the sentence is perfectly apposite to the operation of the historical sublime in the novel.
		Since the three men are carnal manifestations of the larger ineffable, they are properly unaware of the greater force, the "subject not object" in Weinstein's coinage, which directs their actions.
	www.iath.virginia.edu /pmc/text-only/issue.194/bernstei.194 (4609 words)

	Mysticism
		A logical problem with ineffability was noted long ago by Augustine, “God should not be said to be ineffable, for when this is said something is said.
		To say, then, that something is “ineffable” would be to assert that it could not be described by any first-order terms, “ineffability” not being one of them.
		A sixth solution to the ineffability paradox could come from Richard Gale (1960) and Ninian Smart (1958, 69) each of whom have argued that ‘ineffability’ is (merely) an honorific title marking the value and intensity of an experience for a mystic.
	plato.stanford.edu /entries/mysticism (12545 words)

	interdisciplines : Art and Cognition : Beauty and the mind: lessons from Kant (Site not responding. Last check: )
		If the "abnormal" character of the artistic experience has to do with the "ineffability" and "elusiveness" of its meaning, as Armstrong seems to accept, I don't think that a more detailed description of perceptual processes involved in the aesthetic experience may help us in any way.
		Dec 30, 2002 13:17 UT The notion of "ineffability" might describe in part the phenomenology of aesthetic experience.
		However, one might also understand "ineffability" as an emotion, or, more likely, as a set of particular emotions which together constitute artistic experience: in this case it could be taken into account in an analysis of the emotional responses to art, perhaps along with the "Aha" hypothesis of Ramachandran.
	www.interdisciplines.org /artcog/papers/2/4/1/language/en (1869 words)

	Teaching Cognitive Science and the Arts III
		On the first, she argues that in principle, the hearing of musical structures is describable and so not ultimately ineffable.
		She argues that this type of ineffability raises an important problem for Dennett’s views on qualia and his account of conscious experience: "The difficulty is plain: if we consciously experience aural nuances, but cannot represent them propositionally, or a fortiori report them verbally, then there is more to consciousness than sentential-type representation will allow" (p.
		One would be to consider her account of nuance ineffability in relation to other discussions of ineffability in music, using Cavell as a point of departure.
	www.aesthetics-online.org /ideas/freeland3.html (1855 words)

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		Bohm and Einstein incline to this view, in contrast with the Copenhagenists who lust for a safe haven for the magic ego as a mind who controls the world by acts of consciousness.
		The transformation can't happen as religious experience (in which a supernatural framework is dominant), nor within mystic experience, in which a Romantic counter-ego, counter-rationality, framework is present, revelling in vagueness and ineffability.
		Whether or not I agree with Wilber's portrayal of the highest level of consciousness as being soaked with paradox and ineffability, I believe that he overemphasizes the importance of that level.
	www.egodeath.com /021201.htm (3391 words)

	Ineffability (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Ineffability wouldn't be such a problem if it weren't for Litheroy.
		The end result of all of this is that Servitors of Revelations are infamous for trying to track down a solution to more than one ineffable question.
		They really don't care what the answer is, as long as they get one, so sometimes they can get in over their heads.
	www.stormloader.com /users/moelane/innomine/seeds/Ineffability.htm (440 words)

	YHVH Whatever happened to the Father's Name
		Modern translators have continued the practice of the "art of ineffability" as it has become a religious tradition for them to translate in such a manner, and thus have continued the ban on the Father's Name as well.
		The Father knew that the Jewish scribes would learn the "art of ineffability" in Babylon and that His Name would be banned by the Jewish rabbis and later hidden by substitute names and titles.
		He knew that the "art of ineffability" would ping the Father's Name to ruin, that it would remain forgotten and be unspoken down through the centuries.
	www.shabbat-kallah.org /father.htm (4803 words)

	Let’s Not Break The Third Commandment!
		The pagan practice of ineffability was further reinforced and proliferated by Greek culture and its attempt to Hellenize the world.
		The belief system of ineffability is the belief system behind the omission of the "o" vowel, that even the most secular of Jews avoid when writing either L-rd or G-d.
		This error of ineffability has become so entrenched among modern day religions, that when anyone dares to mention the true Name of YAHWEH and His Son Yahshua, they are labeled mentally unbalanced with perhaps cultic affiliation.
	www.timl.com /israel/Third_Commandment.htm (5065 words)

	QUANTUM-MIND Archives -- December 1998 (#35)
		I said C10, which is part of C2, is ineffable.
		If all your experience is effable, I imagine it would be futile to try to explain ineffability to you.
		To preserve the word "know" for knowledge that can be scientifically communicated, sometimes in these situations I use "gno" instead of "know".
	listserv.arizona.edu /cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind9812&L=QUANTUM-MIND&P=R4617&I=-3 (433 words)

	Memory and Language in Medieval Literature
		cantica, direct references to what the pilgrim is or is not able to retain about his alleged vision are often accompanied by the use of the ineffability "topos," which declares the poet's inability to adequately describe in words the supernatural quality of his experience.
		This narrative strategy, made of contrasting statements, generates a dialectic which supersedes the mnemonic limitations claimed by the poet, bringing to the foreground the inadequacy of human language in its attempt to express the ineffable vision of paradise.
		Here the repeated use of the ineffability "topos" becomes the pattern that best represents Dante's effort to bring his words as close as possible to the "silenzio divino" which ultimately constitutes the true essence of God.
	www.uiowa.edu /~mmla/Abstracts2005/memoryandlanguage.htm (666 words)

	[No title] (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Title: Ineffability Author: Kacey Rating: PG-13 Summary: "And with no language but a cry." Spoilers: ITSOTG Disclaimer: They're not mine.
		And this came from a challenge to use, "The most costly disruptions always happen...when something we take completely for granted stops working for a minute" as a summary, but, well, that didn't really work.
		There've been too many times when the words didn't come, when the rhythm was off, when it just wouldn't work, when...
	www.grapefruithead.com /ourboys/ineffability.txt (559 words)

	musicmystery
		One of the first thoughts that comes to us when it comes to philosophizing about music is the ineffability of music.
		In hearing music as ineffable, one is in a far distant region from the detective tale where a neat solution is available.
		The mystery in a cryptic melody may seem to ask questions of life, but it offers no answers, neither does it suggest that an answer is to be found anywhere else.
	andrewmarr.homestead.com /files/music/musicmystery.htm (4702 words)

	Between A & B
		This is because you were "cutting." Within that central blur lies something of the nature of ineffability.
		Needless to say, such revisionary persistence is absurd and pragmatically useless, yet I often yearn for it.
		For most of us, the realm of ineffability is safely tucked away, reserved for use by dreamers and psychotics.
	www.bro-pa.org /eric.html (362 words)

	Music--Drastic or Gnostic? by Carolyn Abbate
		Aesthetic pleasure, the apprehension of beauty, is not evil, nor is it just a hedonist consolation.59 Doubting that musical works spell out cultural data or simply mulling over the mysticism inherent in arguments that they do is not naturally appalling.
		Musical hermeneutics' most coercive aspect is exemplified in claims that acknowledging or valuing music's ineffability constitute, as Kramer has put it, a "destructive irrationalism" typical of those who "justify unspeakable things" (MM, p.
		Music is ineffable in allowing multiple potential meanings and demanding none in particular, above all in its material form as real music, the social event that has carnal effects.
	www.uchicago.edu /research/jnl-crit-inq/issues/v30/30n3.Abbate.html (1194 words)

	CSP - Stace's Characteristics of Extrovertive Mystical States
		Alleged by mystics to be ineffable, incapable of being described in words, etc.
		What is meant by this alleged ineffability is not clear at present.
		The problem will be investigated in our chapter "Mysticism and Language." I do not therefore simply list "ineffability" as a common characteristic, as has been done by William James and others.
	www.csp.org /experience/docs/stace-states.html (627 words)

	Qualia! (Now Showing at a Theater near You) - Eric Lormand
		The most he concedes to ineffability is that "the only readily available way" of specifying the osprey call is by a description like "the property I detected in that event."<32> He suggests that there are ways to specify qualia in principle, even if it is practically difficult.
		If qualia are genuinely ineffable and private, they must not be identical to physical or functional properties, or else they would be specifiable, expressible, and discoverable, in any number of objective ways.
		<3>While ineffability** is often treated as an inability of a speaker to "express" or "communicate" something, the heart of the matter seems to be an inability of a hearer to grasp it.
	www-personal.umich.edu /~lormand/phil/cons/qualia.htm (11912 words)

	no name or form - PhD thesis (Site not responding. Last check: )
		The proposed PhD research will concentrate upon 'ineffability' claims in religious or spiritual experiences and their relation to ‘language’ and ‘experience’ in South Asian traditions.
		There is a sophisticated discourse about the nature of language in Indian philosophy and my thesis would examine the problem of the way in which ineffability claims are located within an ontology of language.
		I wish to examine whether this discourse offers a coherent explanation of the characteristic of ineffability in that section of experiences that may be defined as 'mystical'.
	www.nonameorform.co.uk /phdmain.html (686 words)

	Shabbat Kallah Ministries Int'l - Olive Tree (Site not responding. Last check: )
		In later manuscript copies, the Scribes hid the four letters by practicing the ancient Babylonian method of disquising deities names by assigning them new names to avoid speaking the true names of the dieties or be cursed if one did so (superstition).
		This practice is called "ineffability" and is still practiced today by Judaism and Christianity, and other religions.
		The use of the word "Lord" in the following Scripture is a profound use of the "art of ineffability." Because it is capitalized it refers to a "high god, ruler, master" equated with "Jesus." But in reality the verse is talking about YHVH/YAHweh.
	www.shabbatkallah-olivetree.org /yhvh.htm (603 words)

	Unframe Malevich!: ineffability and sublimity in Suprematism. - Art Journal - HighBeam Research (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Black Square, White Square, and the blank canvas are not different kinds of the painterly ineffable; they are concepts before anything else.
		What they revealed to Malevich is the limitlessness of thought and the supreme autonomy of the "pure act" from all means of expression.
		If Malevich's ultimate disregard of the boundaries between different species of thought removes the possibility of any "painterly ineffable" from his works, then it also removes the sublime that always lurks behind the edges of geometrical abstract paintings.
	highbeam.com /library/doc0.asp?docid=1G1:122622772&refid=ink_tptd_mag (5803 words)

	Work in Progress (Gunther)
		In the course of this book-length project, I present arguments in support of this view and explore its implications on semantics and psychology generally as well as on specific issues such as the irreducibility of emotion, the interdependence of feeling and thought, and the role of emotion in decision-making.
		Three problems generally face such accounts: a failure to explain the invariability of ineffability, its intentionality and its value.
		While my argument doesn't establish the existence of ineffability, it offers a way of explaining its invariability, intentionality and value, things to which so many of us are beholden.
	www.csun.edu /~yg76853/work_in_progress.htm (607 words)

	Commentary on Jakab's Ineffability of Qualia (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Metzinger, Thomas and Walde, Bettina (2000) Commentary on Jakab's Ineffability of Qualia.
		Jakab's starting assumption is that there is no linguistic description of a given experience such that understanding the description would result in someone who has never had the experience being described undergoing an experience of that type.
		And this is Jakab's explanation: Understanding in the standard sense involves our linguistic- conceptual abilities; but our linguistic-conceptual abilities are notinvolved in undergoing simple sensory experiences; so they cannot deliver knowledge by acquaintance, which means linguistic descriptions of sensory experiences cannot result in someone who understands the description undergoing the experience being described.
	sammelpunkt.philo.at:8080 /archive/00000268 (253 words)

	mike king \| writings \| The New Metaphysics and the Deep Structure of Creativity and Cognition
		The ineffable would be a contradiction of their claims that Darwinism can explain the entire natural world; the spontaneous has no part in their discourse, while the question of the solitariness of consciousness does not arise, because consciousness is understood as an epi-phenomemenon.
		Chaos theory holds a gun at the head of determinism, without recourse to quantum mechanics or relativity: it proposes that complex systems are ineffable simply because, though 'in principle' deterministic, they are in practice unpredictable.
		This is the most serious challenge to determinism yet, and contains within it all four of Longchenpa's aspects: ineffability (we cannot predict the outcome), coherence (we have a precise mathematical description of the situation); spontaneity (it could go either way), and solitariness (the collapse of the wave function is holistically related to the observer).
	www.jnani.org /mrking/writings/earts/cc399.html (6209 words)

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