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  Britain.tv Wikipedia - McDojo
McDojo is an example of McWords applied to martial arts and a pejorative term used by some Western martial artists to describe a martial arts school where image or profit is of a higher importance than technical standards.
A McDojo (used as a noun) is a martial arts school of any style that uses specific business practices or principles for the purpose of generating revenue for the school.
McDojo as an adjective is applied to indicate that a particular action or practice by a school is motivated primarily by financial gain.
www.britain.tv /wikipedia.php?title=McDojo   (1288 words)

 McDojo - Biocrawler   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
McDojo is a term used by some martial artists to describe a martial arts school where image or profit is of a higher importance than technical standards.
McDojos are often part of a franchise (hence the name, which derives from "Mcdonald's" and "dojo").
Claims to be a synthesis of many arts (very few of these "hybrids" are legitimate); especially if one instructor claims to hold high rank in multiple arts.
www.biocrawler.com /encyclopedia/McDojo   (865 words)

 Kamikaze | Noticias | Hobbies and Sports -> Martial Arts -> Mcdojo | bullshido   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
McDojo is a pejorative term used by some martial artists to describe a martial arts school where image or profit is of a higher importance than technical standards.
mcdojo is a pejorative term used by some western martial artists to describe a...
mcdojo is an example of mcwords applied to martial arts and a pejorative term...
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 McDojo FAQ
Often McDojos teach a lot of bullshido, which is a term used to define deception, fraud, and lies in terms of martial arts.
In a McDojo, things are planned out really well, and you feel like you are learning, that you are better than most schools, and that when you are advancing you are improving.
McDojos often self-promote the instructors to being a Master or Grandmaster for promotional reasons, and what you should think of when you see a school advertising that the grandmaster teaches think is "McDonald's CEO now working the grill at the 41st and 20th street McDonalds".
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 McDojo   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
McDojo is a term I see on the web sometimes.
A McDojo is a martial arts school which markets a kind of generic martial arts.
These schools are often chains and have large kids programs with different "clubs." The difference from one club to another is dependent on your monthly contract bill.
www.angelfire.com /blog/thisisbeach/mcdojo.html   (152 words)

 Urban Dictionary: mcdojo
McDojos are schools that are run and owned for the purpose of making money.
Most schools in the states are McDojos, though no school (or student of a school) will admit to being a McDojo.
The most common signs of a McDojo include a lack of sparring classes, no opportunities to compete in a tournament, outrageous fees, and a promise on having a fl belt in 2-3 years.
www.urbandictionary.com /define.php?term=mcdojo&defid=1071636   (753 words)

 Martial Arts Planet - McDojo's
It seems to me that a "McDojo" is anywhere where people think that they are not taking the martial art that they teach seriously.
In short, McDojo is a term used by some martial artists to describe a martial arts school where image or profit is of a higher importance than technical standards.
I don't personally think that this is a fair indication of a McDojo in many cases.
www.martialartsplanet.com /forums/showthread.php?t=35068   (1686 words)

 K-1 Forum - The McDojo:Martial Arts Class or Martial Arts Cult
One commonly seen McDojo practice in martial arts schools is the use of long-term contracts (6 months or longer in length) to lock students into a monthly payment, usually by direct deposit from a bank account.
People against this practice typically reply that if the school's quality was high enough, they wouldn't need to require a contract or monthly payments; that students would want to keep paying of their own accord.
I personally feel the mcdojo has a lot to answer for, not least the watering down of ‘traditional’ MA effectiveness and reputation as a serious means to defend oneself.
www.k-1usa.net /forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3348   (1201 words)

 "Mcdojo.com" - Kung Fu Magazine Forums   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
The problem of McDojos is one that the entire Martial Arts community faces.
Most of the original posters at McDojo's are from the Abu Dhabi Combat Club forums, of which the bulk of the posters actually train for fighting sports if not compete in them.
My point is simple though, the Martial Arts community should take the issue of McDojos, fradulent "masters" and scams in our arts very seriously, and this site was founded with the intention to be a place for this community to reflect on these issues and find ways of dealing with them.
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 View topic - McDojo or not?
There are only five or six martial arts schools in my area, at least three three are blatant mcdojos ("family friendly" and "get in shape while learning the art of self-defense" type slogans tipped me off to this).
I am unsure of whether it is a mcdojo or not, since it seems to have some characteristics that do match and some that don't.
From these it seems that the school has turned to the mcdojo aspects to make money, but that there is some promise for those who actually do want to learn rather than just get a pretty-looking belt.
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 McDojo? - MartialTalk.Com
I've come to the realisation a mcdojo (to most people) is simply a dojo that uses practices that they themselves disapprove of - very subjective and not at all a universal definition.
In my opinion, this person's business is a McDojo - because the quality of the student is irrelevant to the students' attained rank, and because generating funds (which requires quantity) is more important than providing quality instruction.
I guess my version of a mcdojo (based on price alone) would be the dojo that has the first degree fl with 5 years charging the same or more as the guy with 30 years.
www.martialtalk.com /forum/showthread.php?t=32292   (3611 words)

 Will Judo Ever Become Watered Down? - Judo Forum (JudoForum.com)   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Judo is not affected very much by the McDojo problem since our primary motication is not making money, so I don't see any weakening of judo training in the future.
McDojo demands - get belts quickly for little or no hard core effort.
It is like how at one point TKD guys were, back in the day, good at both punching and kicking but now can only do kicks because of the restrictions in the rules.
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 Judo Forum (JudoForum.com) > what's a McDojo?
Like fast food sales that are based on convenience, McDojos sell huge volumes of martial arts lessons, but they are not particularly good for you in the long run.
Aug 30 2005, 07:56 PM The preferred habitat of the Mcdojo is a strip mall.
If asked (or even if not asked), 80% of McDojo occupants will state that Judo is not really a martial art and could not possibly compare with the real combat proven effectiveness of their art.
www.judoinfo.com /discuss/lofiversion/index.php/t6977.html   (2991 words)

 McDojo or not - Deluxe Martial Arts Forums
I have never had any trouble when getting into altercations on the street and have no intention of changing schools, sbut i just wanted your oppinion on whether my school is a McDojo or not.
Ive never understood the term Mcdojo really, if a school is successful and open more gyms they get called a mcdojo, but if a school isnt successful and only has 1 or 2 gyms then they avoid the label?
What makes a school a McDojo is that when the 7 year old with the sweet round kick gets cornered by another kid at his school - the same weight as him, that kid with no training whips the snot out of him.
www.defend.net /deluxeforums/showthread.php?p=148929   (727 words)

 McDojo's - Kendo World Forums
I was wondering if you would be so kind as to share some commonly known, *cough,* deficiencies that McDojo's have.
A mate of me who lives in Cali got his 10 year old daughter on jiu jiutsu classes at a (what I think prolly is a) McDojo.
Due to this he didn't put his daughter on the weapons training of the school where these 10 year olds are swinging bokken.
www.kendo-world.com /forum/showthread.php?t=6817   (1769 words)

 Isegoria: Enter the McDojo
Things have gotten so bad with people inventing their own styles and techniques after only a limited time of study.
I used to train at one of these McDojo's and i am thankful for many of the basic punches and kicks that i learned.
However the instructor was asking for more money and wanted to sign me up for a 2nd dan program costing about 2 thousand dollars.
www.isegoria.net /2006/03/enter-mcdojo.htm   (154 words)

 AikiWeb Aikido Forums - McDojo
Having seen "McDojo" trainees compete in semi-pro fights here in New York, I wouldn't be so quick to judge.
By definition I would say that they are not "McDojo" trainees, as it says that standards are not a priority in a McDojo.
It is not so much the appearances of the dojo, but the intent and attitude that makes a McDojo and McDojo.
www.aikiweb.com /forums/printthread.php?t=10249   (938 words)

 Andrew's Homepage > Why ATA Sucks!
One kid got a new uniform and the other was told to wait 2-3 weeks until theirs was too short, well 6 weeks later my daughter, the one told to wait, asked for a uniform and was told her parents had to buy a new one.
Paying for equipment is not necesarily the mark of a McDojo, but unannounced changes and fee's certainly are...
Now that students are reaching Brown Belt the McDojo has removed board breaking from the Friday night Weapons and Sparring curriculum and they are now offering board breaking seminars at $40 per 1 hour event.
www.geocities.com /arielly.geo/special/why-ata-sucks.html   (1817 words)

 [ planet jitsu ] :: View topic - McDojo   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
The one I found was definately a McDojo.
I recently dropped a junior l/blue to green, she just wasnt ready for the adult environment at L/blue level.
I think the McDojo article reveals more about the flaws of karate as a form of self protection than perhaps the dojo itself.
www.planetjitsu.com /viewtopic.php?p=40692   (2795 words)

 KarateForums.com - What is a McDojo?
I only joined this forum a day or so ago but McDojo is the same as a Mickey-Mouse Dojo.
McDojos are the same as Mickey-Mouse Dojos and Sushi-bar dojos thats what I think.
I have my own thoughts, but I thought it might be interesting to hear some others thoughts on this.
www.karateforums.com /archive/o_t/t_15349/start_0   (637 words)

 Judo Forum (JudoForum.com) > Is this a McDojo ?   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
They'll charge you sh*t loads to grade, and in a competition (assuming they do em) it'll be at least fitty squid for each thing (weight division sparring, poomse, openweight sparring, etc) with no refunds.
In mcdojos the guy will have done a few forms/kata/poomse and some one step sparring and that's it.
Mar 22 2005, 02:01 AM I also do TKD and teach it as well and it is sounding like a Mcdojo to me. A camo belt it just ridiculous.
www.judoinfo.com /discuss/lofiversion/index.php/t4424.html   (1040 words)

 McDojo's - Deluxe Martial Arts Forums
There's this Australian bloke by me who is a flbelt in Shotokan karate and he got this belt at a respected club.
I was one of the original members on McDojo (Bullshido).
Like mentioned before a McDojo is a MA school that has a teacher that may be a great fighter, and hold several belts.
www.defend.net /deluxeforums/showthread.php?p=87192   (1203 words)

 McDojo's and Karate Contracts
Personally, I think there are TONS of instructors like these running McDojo’s, making students go through the motions each day, dragging out their training and progress as long as they can by binding them to long-term contracts, just to get a check from them each month as long as they can!
From a business standpoint, and knowing the specific schools size-and-location this story is based on, I suspect his costs are only part of the reason why he resorts to contracts.
McDojo, do you mind if I stop handing you a check every month?" If it comes down to a McDojo's financial well being vs your happiness, be prepared for a bit of a battle!
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 BudoSeek! Martial Arts Community - McDojo caused by the Power Rangers?   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
I actually don't know when they started popping up (I guess I was a kid when that happened), but at least on my experience, the Ninja Turtles had more to do with the popularity of martial arts than the Power Rangers did.
I was in a McDojo a decade before that series aired.
From what I've read, the first McDojo were actually started in China during the Ming Dynasty and were fuelled in part by popalur literature and story tellers.
www.budoseek.net /vbulletin/showthread.php?p=215911#post215911   (1454 words)

 martial_artists: McDojo:the book?
I realize that some degree of the teacher/student relationship gets complicated when money enters the picture, but if the teacher wants to do this martial arts thing professionally, he had better have a successful business.
IMO, a McDojo is one of those schools that keep sticking you for more money.
You pay a large amount for tuition, then more to test (which is almost monthly), more for uniforms and belts.
community.livejournal.com /martial_artists/569465.html   (701 words)

 McDojo's and Karate Contracts
I think a more appropriate saying for those who get corralled into this sort of thing would be “You’ve just been McDojo’d!” For those that don’t know, McDojo is an actual term used amongst quality Karate school owners, when they refer to the questionable business practices of other schools.
If the McDojo’s are 100% confident what they’re teaching is the best for each of their students, then I have a way for them to prove it!
Personally, I think there are TONS of instructors like that running McDojo’s, making students go through the motions each day, dragging out their training and progress with long-term contracts.
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 Martial Arts Planet - MCdojo??
Anyway a sure sign is when the instructor attends class in a funny clown siut.
To be fair smokemare from what you have posted it doesn't seem that the bullshido people are saying that ALL TKD schools are McDojos but just that they are particularly rampant within TKD.
Which I think is about right and fairly expectable afterall it is the most popular form of martial art in most western countries (correct me if im wrong) so theres alot of money to be made...
www.martialartsplanet.com /forums/showthread.php?t=9900   (418 words)

 jameshom.com | Empty Your Cup of Tea II - McDojo Master Knows it All
"You're in a McDojo if...the phrase 'This is where you fall over' is used.
Contrast that to our experience visiting a local tae kwon do school, many years ago.
Only by keeping an open mind--by emptying your cup--can you truly grow in the martial arts.
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 The Road to Shodan: You maybe in a McDojo if....   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
While there are tons of legitimate martial arts schools out there, and thousands of serious practitioners studying those arts every day, there are at least an equal number of McDojos out there (especially in the US).
For the uninitiated, a McDojo is essentially a martial arts school that puts greater emphasis on marketing and profit than on educating the public in its selected eastern art.
The idea isn't about how many belts you have, but how certain martial arts schools have turned their selected art into a business.
www.worldjudo.info /2005/02/you-maybe-in-mcdojo-if.html   (440 words)

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