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	dialogue
		The dialogue is so spontaneous a mode of expressing and noting down the undulations of human thought that it almost escapes analysis.
		The systematic use of dialogue as an independent literary form is commonly supposed to have been introduced by Plato, whose earliest experiment in it is believed to survive in the Ladies.
		More recently, the French returned to the original application of dialogue, and the inventions of "Gyp", of Henri Lavedan and of others, in which a mundane anecdote is wittily and maliciously told in conversation, would probably present a close analogy to the lost mimes of the early Sicilian poets, if we could meet with them.
	www.fact-library.com /dialogue.html (722 words)

	Social Theory, Concepts of God, and Dialogue (1991)
		Dialogue is arguably coterminous with the recognizably human.
		His dramatic discourse is genuine dialogue which brings out attitudes and behaviors in the audience which are appropriate to a participant in the dramatic situation.
		Smith's analysis of the dialectics of human interaction is profoundly significant, since on his argument person-perception based on reflexive social relationships is the source of both self-satisfaction in the case of self-assessment, as well as "the harmony of society" in the case of the assessment of others.
	www.wright.edu /~gordon.welty/Acad_Rel_91.htm (4469 words)

	The Peloponnesian War (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		Melians: But we know that the fortune of war is sometimes more impartial than the disproportion of numbers might lead one to suppose; to submit is to give ourselves over to despair, while action still preserves for us a hope that we may stand erect.
		Melians: You may be sure that we are as well aware as you of the difficulty of contending against your power and fortune, unless the terms be equal.
		Melians: But it is for this very reason that we now trust to their respect for expediency to prevent them from betraying the Melians, their colonists, and thereby losing the confidence of their friends in Hellas and helping their enemies.
	history.boisestate.edu /westciv/peloponn/melian.shtml (1943 words)

	The Melian Dialogue
		Melians: Surely then, if you and your subjects will brave all this risk, you to preserve your empire and they to be quit of it, how base and cowardly would it be in us, who retain our freedom, not to do and suffer anything rather than be your slaves.
		Melians: But we know that the fortune of war is sometimes impartial, and not always on the side of numbers, If we yield now, all is over; but if we fight, there is yet a hope that we may stand upright.
		Melians: We know only too well how hard the struggle must be against your power, and against fortune, if she does not mean to be impartial.
	www.shsu.edu /~his_ncp/Melian.html (2287 words)

	The United States Embassy to the Holy See (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		The Melian example is one of coercion and violence because it was the forceful assertion of one people’s gods upon the other.
		Thus, religious difference in the Melian dialogue was a factor of conflict; at the Areopagus, it presented a starting point for the possibility of recognizing a universal common good.
		Given the intimate connection of religious dialogue and religious life to the possibility of constructing a universal common good, it is a requirement for peace, security and cooperation among nations.
	vatican.usembassy.it /text/policy/events/Relfreedom/Carozza.asp (1951 words)

	Sociology of Religion: Pericles and the plague: civil religion, anomie, and injustice in Thucydides (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		The Melians spoke in terms of justice and insisted on Hope in the possible turn of fortune to their advantage during the uncertainties of war.
		The Melians are also made, by Thucydides, to foresee the collapse of the Athenian empire as proper vengeance against their injustice and the Athenians even entertain the possibility of this collapse.
		The outcome of the dialogue is well-known: Melian refusal to pay tribute, ensuing hostilities and, after a blockade and some indeterminate battles, the subsequent capture of Melos by the Athenians, who killed all the male citizens, sold the women and children into slavery, and colonized Melos with their own people (see Thucydides 1972: 400-408).
	www.findarticles.com /p/articles/mi_m0SOR/is_n4_v57/ai_19178613/pg_3 (1312 words)

	The Melian Dialogue
		The Melians are a colony of Lakedaimon that would not submit to the Athenians like the other islands.
		The Melians did not bring these ambassadors before the people, but told them to state the object of their mission to the magistrates and the governing class.
		The Melians showed no signs of yielding, and the Athenian generals at once opened hostilities, and drew a siege-wall around the Melians, dividing the labour among the different nations in their contingent.
	gainsford.tripod.com /melian.htm (3018 words)

	IDs (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		The dialogue was held on the island of Melos, where the Athenians offered the Melians a choice, join Athens or face death and enslavement.
		The Athenians in this dialogue used a sophistic form of argument, asserting that justice was determined by the wishes of the strongest party.
		The Melians, by contrast, argued that justice should be held as an abstract ideal, with an unchanging definition (equality for all).
	www.uweb.ucsb.edu /~sjursen/ids.htm (389 words)

	Robert TORDOFF
		The ensuing discussions between the Melians and the Athenians are captured in one of Thucydides' most vivid passages, the well-known Melian dialogue, and its framing narrative (Thuc.
		Literary studies of this passage have traditionally maintained that in the dialogue Thucydides paints a picture of Athenian cruelty and oppression of a small, defenceless island community, unshaken almost to the last in the hope it has placed in divine justice, and in its faith in the Spartans and its rejection of Athenian imperial ambition.
		The Melians represent themselves as unable to acquiesce to Athenian power because of the moral imperative of shame; the Athenian rhetorical strategy in the dialogue is to represent themselves as compelled to subdue Melos by their own imperial power.
	www.apaclassics.org /AnnualMeeting/05mtg/abstracts/TORDOFF.html (362 words)

	The Melian Dialogue
		The Melians are a colony of Lacedaemon that would not submit to the Athenians like the other islanders, and at first remained neutral and took no part in the struggle, but afterwards upon the Athenians using violence and plundering their territory, assumed an attitude of open hostility.
		The Athenian envoys now returned to the army; and the Melians showing no signs of yielding, the generals at once betook themselves to hostilities, and drew a line of circumvallation round the Melians, dividing the work among the different states.
		Meanwhile the Melians attacked by night and took the part of the Athenian lines over against the market, and killed some of the men, and brought in corn and all else that they could find useful to them, and so returned and kept quiet, while the Athenians took measures to keep better guard in future.
	www.mtholyoke.edu /acad/intrel/melian.htm (1884 words)

	Melian Dialogue
		The envoys came with an offer that, if the Melians submitted and became part of the Athenian empire, their people and their possessions would not be harmed.
		The Melians argued that by the law of nations they had the right to remain neutral, and no nation had the right to attack without provocation.
		The Melians pointed out that it was to the interest of all states to respect the laws of nations: "you should not destroy what is our common protection, the privilege of being allowed in danger to invoke what is fair and right...."
	www.nku.edu /~weirk/ir/melian.html (886 words)

	Melian Dialogue (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		Perhaps this is why the Athenians did not wish to speak of justice in their dialogue with the Melians, because it would be misinterpreted.
		If the Melians were to have followed the basic rule of life they would have submitted to the Athenians because in that way they would, in the weaker sense, win by keeping their life.
		But the Melians were honor hungry fools, as the Athenians noted, “Do not be led astray by a false sense of honour - a thing which often brings men to ruin when they are faced with an obvious danger that somehow affects their pride,” (Thucydides 111).
	students.hightechhigh.org /~ekrimmel/Projects/Writing/Writing9/melian.html (1626 words)

	A History of International Relations by Gaurang Bhatt, MD
		The key ancient document from fifth century BCE to substantiate my thesis is Thucydides Melian dialogue between the envoys of Athens and the island of Melos at the beginning of the Peloponnesian War, that led to the destruction and defeat of Athens at the hands of Sparta and its allies.
		Melian— Since you set aside justice and invite us to speak of expediency, in our judgment it is certainly expedient that you should respect a principle which is for the common good.
		Melian— If we yield now all is over; but if we fight there is hope that we may stand upright.
	www.boloji.com /rt2/rt164.htm (2122 words)

	Melian dialogue (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		It is an unusual piece of text, as it is written in the style of a theatrical dialogue, rather than a record of opposingspeeches as Thucydides usually wrote.
		The Melians had always resisted the influence of the DelianLeague, and resisted this invasion as well.
		In the end, the Athenians were victorious and dealt with the Melians by executing every male of military age and enslaving thewomen and children.
	www.therfcc.org /melian-dialogue-90474.html (216 words)

	The Melian Dialogue
		The Melians raise the point during the dialogue that they are a neutral country and should be left alone.
		The Melians try to impress on the Athenians that if they destroyed a neutral country when it was not provoked, that other countries would take up arms against the Athenians to prevent the Athenians from devouring their country as well.
		The Melians tell the Athenians that their empire’s security depends on them knowing when to fight and when to defend and fighting a neutral country is not safe for their security.
	members.fortunecity.com /shocktrup/melian_dialogue.htm (565 words)

	[No title] (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		The Melian Dialogue is a remarkable little document not only for how it dramatizes the relationship between various forms of power, but how power can paradoxically be a self-limiting thing.
		In the Dialogue, clearly the Athenians are militarily predominant, and it is this predominance that gives them the freedom of action to aggress upon the Melians in the first place.
		As they argue to the Melians, “it is not so much your hostility that injures us; it is rather the case that, if we were on friendly terms with you, our subjects would regard that as a sign of weakness in us, whereas your hatred is evidence of our power”.
	www.libarts.ucok.edu /political/faculty/gatch/02fall/elem/disc2.html (620 words)

	Poroi, 3, 2, Perusek
		But the Melian dialogue is prologue to the Sicilian campaign, the tragic episode of overextension of Athens and their destruction in the great battles with Syracuse, the main Sicilian polis, and their Peloponnesian allies.
		If we read the Melian dialogue in connection with the Sicilian campaign, we might arrive at an interpretation directly opposed to realism: While the strong believe they can do what they are able to do, they often misassess their circumstances, overreach, and come to suffer defeat as a result.
		Although a serene mood of calculation suffuses the Melian dialogue, the words and deeds of the Athenians betray a mad spirit of blindness and insolence.
	inpress.lib.uiowa.edu /poroi/papers/perusek041001.html (10558 words)

	[No title]
		The first, from Thucydides’ history (usually labelled as “The Melian Dialogue”), will serve as the basis for a class debate during which you will play the role of either an Athenian or a Melian; the second, from the later history of Xenophon (the Hellenica), places the Melian dialogue in a broader context.
		Thucydides: The Melian Dialogue: 5.84-116 (416 BC) The leaders of Melos faced a terrible choice: have their countrymen die as free men or live as slaves.
		[2] The Melians are a colony of Lacedaemon that would not submit to the Athenians like the other islanders, and at first remained neutral and took no part in the struggle, but afterwards upon the Athenians using violence and plundering their territory, assumed an attitude of open hostility.
	www.skidmore.edu /academics/classics/courses/2003spring/cc200/greekhistory-feb12.doc (2038 words)

	Plato's Political Philosophy [Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy]
		Platonic dialogues are expressions of the ultimate communication that can take place between humans; and true communication is likely to take place only if individuals can share meanings of the words they use.
		The vision of the ideal state is used rather to illustrate the main thesis of the dialogue that justice, understood traditionally as virtue and related to goodness, is the foundation of a good political order, and as such is in everyone’s interest.
		Throughout this dialogue Plato’s guiding principle is that the good society is a harmonious union of different social elements that represent two key values: wisdom and freedom (701d).
	www.iep.utm.edu /p/platopol.htm (7226 words)

	MELIAN
		In J. Tolkien's fictional world of Middle-earth, Melian was a Maia of the race of the Valar.
		"MELIAN" is a common misspelling or typo for: Malian, malign, median, medina, melon, million, myelin.
		The crowd then went to the house of Manuel Melian, also a member of the National Transitional Council to Democracy, and threw stones and bottles at his house.
	www.websters-online-dictionary.org /definition/english/ME/MELIAN.html (388 words)

	Melian dialogue - Encyclopedia, History, Geography and Biography
		Melian dialogue - Encyclopedia, History, Geography and Biography
		In the passage, the Athenians refuse to discuss either the justice of their demand or any substantive argument by the Melians.
		The dialogue as written in the History probably reflects Thucydides personal view of the invasion of Melos, rather than accurately recording the specific speeches delivered at the meeting: a classic case of imperial cynicism, or cynical imperialism, which has been a recurrent theme in history to this day.
	www.arikah.net /encyclopedia/Melian_dialogue (274 words)

	Power, Hegemony, and Thucydides
		Justice remains an issue for the pluralists, and the Melians are not pursuing justice; nor are the Athenians.
		Garst contends that Thucydides includes the speeches and dialogues throughout the piece for a particular purpose, to illustrate the internal workings of the states, how their decisions are made, which is a pluralistic standpoint.
		The Melians note that the Athenians will be hurting their contingent power by attacking a neutral, and may bring upon themselves "the heaviest vengeance" from other powers.
	www.hfienberg.com /irtheory/thucydides.html (1461 words)

	TheOneRing.net™ \| Barliman's Chat Room \| The Hall of Fire \| Log 06/01/2002 : The evolution of Tolkien's writing
		<Melian> On the most fundamentary level, there is a stark contrast in the maturity and style of The Lord of the Rings to the style of The Hobbit, the latter originally a story told to his children and his first publication.
		<Melian> I mean, Morgoth wins most wars in the First Age....and while the end of the War of the Ring has some sorrow _ the Elves leaving _ it's far worse in the end of the First Age, when Beleriand had to be drowned.
		<Melian> Tree and Leaf was copyrighted in 1964, according to the book...Farmer Giles of Ham in 1949.
	www.theonering.net /barlimans/hall_logs/060102.html (2363 words)

	The Melian Debate Debate
		The Melians explained their unwillingness to surrender in terms of the need for a people to defend their integrity, irrespective of the consequences.
		Many of the ideas expressed in the Melian debate are similar to current debates about the relations between nations.
		Instead of bringing these envoys before the people, the Melians desired them to explain their errand to the magistrates and to the dominant class.
	www.polisci.ccsu.edu /brown/meliandialogue.htm (2596 words)

	De Spectaculis: Insolence and Blindness
		The Melian Dialogue has been considered the founding text of the "realist" school of international politics.
		And, in fact, as we read the dialogue, the impression deepens that the Athenian spokesman is out of his right mind.
		The former type we shall meet with presently; the latter is portrayed with finished art in the dialogue which leads up to the Melian massacre.
	www.modernprometheus.com /despectaculis/archives/000587.html (1326 words)

	melian_dialogue
		But we trust that the gods may grant us fortune as good as yours, since we are just men fighting against unjust, and that what we want in power will be made up by the alliance of the Spartans, who are bound, if only for very shame, to come to the aid of their kindred.
		The Athenian envoys now returned to the army; and as the Melians showed no signs of yielding, the generals at once commenced hostilities, and built a wall around the Melians, dividing the work among the different states.
		Meanwhile the Melians attacked by night and took the part of the Athenian lines near the market, and killed some of the men, and brought in corn and all else that they could find useful to them, and so returned and kept quiet, while the Athenians took measures to keep better guard in future.
	www.wsu.edu /~hughesc/melian_dialogue.htm (1759 words)

	Melian dialogue - Encyclopedia Glossary Meaning Explanation Melian dialogue (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-08)
		Melian dialogue - Encyclopedia Glossary Meaning Explanation Melian dialogue.
		The list of the Melian dialogue Authors is
		The orginal Melian dialogue article can be editet
	www.encyclopedia-glossary.com /en/Melian-dialogue.html (284 words)

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