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  Menexenus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Menexenus is a Socratic dialogue of Plato, traditionally included in the seventh tetralogy along with the Greater and Lesser Hippias and the Ion.
The Menexenus consists mainly of a lengthy funeral oration, satirizing the one given by Pericles in Thucydides' account of the Peloponnesian War.
Perhaps the most interest in the Menexenus stems from the fact that it is one of the few extant sources on the practice of Athenian funeral oratory, even though it is a parody thereof.
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 Menexenus
Menexenus : From the agora, Socrates, and the Council Chamber.
Menexenus : And by Zeus, Socrates, Aspasia, by your account, deserves to be congratulated if she is really capable of composing a speech like that, woman though she is.
Menexenus : Yes, I am exceedingly grateful, Socrates, for the oration [249e] to her or to him — whoever it was that repeated it to you ; and what is more, I owe many other debts of gratitude to him that repeated it.
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 Menexenus by Plato: Introduction.
The fiction of the speech having been invented by Aspasia is well sustained, and is in the manner of Plato, notwithstanding the anachronism which puts into her mouth an allusion to the peace of Antalcidas, an event occurring forty years after the date of the supposed oration.
The Persian war usually formed the centre of the narrative; in the age of Isocrates and Demosthenes the Athenians were still living on the glories of Marathon and Salamis.
The address of the dead to the living at the end of the oration may also be compared to the numerous addresses of the same kind which occur in Plato, in whom the dramatic element is always tending to prevail over the rhetorical.
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 Logos Virtual Library: Plato: Menexenus
MENEXENUS: From the agora, Socrates, and the Council Chamber.
SOCRATES: That I should be able to make the speech would be nothing wonderful, Menexenus; for she who is my instructor is by no means weak in the art of rhetoric; on the contrary, she has turned out many fine orators, and amongst them one who surpassed all other Greeks, Pericles, the son of Xanthippus.
MENEXENUS: Yes, I am exceedingly grateful, Socrates, for the oration to her or to him—whoever it was that repeated it to you; and what is more, I owe many other debts of gratitude to him that repeated it.
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The Menexenus or Funeral Oration is cited by Aristotle, and is interesting as supplying an example of the manner in which the orators praised 'the Athenians among the Athenians,' falsifying persons and dates, and casting a veil over the gloomier events of Athenian history.
MENEXENUS: You are always making fun of the rhetoricians, Socrates; this time, however, I am inclined to think that the speaker who is chosen will not have much to say, for he has been called upon to speak at a moment's notice, and he will be compelled almost to improvise.
MENEXENUS: Truly, Socrates, I marvel that Aspasia, who is only a woman, should be able to compose such a speech; she must be a rare one.
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 Philosophy, Rhetoric, and Cultural Memory: Rereading Plato's Menexenus and Isocrates' Panegyricus Rhetoric Society ...
If Socrates himself is able to shake off the rhetorical intoxication only after several days, Plato's readers may conclude that ordinary Athenians most likely never come to their senses and continue to live under the spell of such rhetoric.
Menexenus appreciates Socratic irony and instantly recognizes this leitmotif of Plato's anti-rhetorical polemic: "You are always toying (prospaidzeis) with the orators, Socrates" (235G).
The suggestion of playfulness is amplified when Menexenus begs Socrates to recite a specimen of funeral oration after his mentor declares that it is not difficult to praise Athenians among Athenians.
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 PLATO - FULL TEXT - LYSIS, OR FRIENDSHIP - IN ONE WEBPAGE PART - Translated by Benjamin Jowett (1817-1893)
I was about to ask which was the juster of the two, and which was the wiser of the two; but at this moment Menexenus was called away by some one who came and said that the gymnastic-master wanted him.
I certainly cannot refuse, I said, since you ask me; but then, as you know, Menexenus is very pugnacious, and therefore you must come to the rescue if he attempts to upset me. Yes, indeed, he said; he is very pugnacious, and that is the reason why I want you to argue with him.
And so, Lysis and Menexenus, we have discovered the nature of friendship-there can be no doubt of it: Friendship is the love which by reason of the presence of evil the neither good nor evil has of the good, either in the soul, or in the body, or anywhere.
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 Philosophy, Rhetoric, and Cultural Memory: Rereading Plato's Menexenus and Isocrates' Panegyricus Rhetoric Society ...
The essay demonstrates the distinct ways in which Plato and Isocrates appropriated generic conventions of the Athenian funeral oration and panegyric in order to construct the identity of a "philosopher" vis-à-vis his polis and to model the relationship between students of "philosophy" and discourses of their culture.
It is not surprising that the occasion furnished elite critics of the current regime with an excuse to attack the wrongs of Athenian democracy as well as to display their insight into the political culture of their contemporaries.
Plato's reaction, dramatized in the dialogue Menexenus, is rendered through Socratic imitation of the Periclean funeral oration.
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The Menexenus, together with the Meno, Phaedrus, Gorgias, and the Symposium, is part of Plato's middle dialogues, written between the philosopher's first and second voyage to Syracuse in 387 and 367 BC In all these writings it is Plato's goal to find the measure that would cure the sickness of the human soul.
To understand the 'message' of the Menexenus, the message for which the double-entendre about Aspasia's speech is put into play, it helps to see the dialogue as a companion piece to the Symposium.
The point that carries this comparison between the speeches of Diotima and Aspasia home is made when one reads the Menexenus not as a critique of Aspasia, but as a critique of political rhetoric as used by historians, Thucydides in particular, as the fathers of nationalist lies.
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 Plato-Menexenus
The dialogues which appear to have the next claim to genuineness among the Platonic writings, are the Lesser Hippias, the Menexenus or Funeral Oration, the First Alcibiades.
Thus in the Cratylus he is run away with; in the Phaedrus he has heard somebody say something- is inspired by the genius loci; in the Symposium he derives his wisdom from Diotima of Mantinea, and the like.
SOCRATES: That I should be able to speak is no great wonder, Menexenus, considering that I have an excellent mistress in the art of rhetoric,-she who has made so many good speakers, and one who was the best among all the Hellenes-Pericles, the son of Xanthippus.
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 Plato, Lysis ToC: The Online Library of Liberty   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-17)
Menexenus is called away and Socrates continues the conversation with Lysis alone.
I was about to ask which was the juster of the two, and which was the wiser of the two; but at this moment Menexenus was called away by some one who came and said that the gymnastic–master wanted him.
And so, Lysis and Menexenus, we have discovered the nature of friendship—there can be no doubt of it: Friendship is the love which by reason of the presence of evil the neither good nor evil has of the good, either in the soul, or in the body, or anywhere.
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 MENEXENUS by Plato - Complete text
Menexenus: Yes, Socrates; I have been at the Council.
Soc.: That I should be able to speak is no great wonder, Menexenus, considering that I have an excellent mistress in the art of rhetoric,—she who has made so many good speakers, and one who was the best among all the Hellenes—Pericles, the son of Xanthippus.
Soc.: Yes, I do; and besides her I had Connus, the son of Metrobius, as a master, and he was my master in music, as she was in rhetoric.
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 Plato : Menexenus : Menexenus
MENEXENUS: Yes, Socrates, I shall be ready to hold office, if you allow and advise that I should, but not if you think otherwise.
You have heard, Menexenus, the oration of Aspasia the Milesian.
MENEXENUS: Yes, Socrates, I am very grateful to her or to him who told you, and still more to you who have told me.
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 SparkNotes: Lysis: Section 4: 211a–213c
Socrates's first question is "when one loves another, is the lover or the beloved the friend?" Menexenus replies that either could be the friend.
Socrates argues that this cannot be the case, since sometimes love is not returned; sometimes love is even met with hatred, and we cannot say that someone is the friend of someone they hate.
Menexenus is supposedly "pugnacious" and a stubborn debater, and, moreover, Lysis has specifically asked that Menexenus be taken down a notch.
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From the first of these suppositions they are driven to the second; and from the second to the third; and neither the two boys nor Socrates are satisfied with any of the three or with all of them.
The problem is unsolved, and the three friends, Socrates, Lysis, and Menexenus, are still unable to find out what a friend is. Thus, as in the Charmides and Laches, and several of the other Dialogues of Plato (compare especially the Protagoras and Theaetetus), no conclusion is arrived at.
And so, Lysis and Menexenus, we have discovered the nature of friendship-- there can be no doubt of it: Friendship is the love which by reason of the presence of evil the neither good nor evil has of the good, either in the soul, or in the body, or anywhere.
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 Plato, Menexenus ToC: The Online Library of Liberty   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-17)
The war of Athens and Boeotia is a war of liberation; the Athenians gave back the Spartans taken at Sphacteria out of kindness—indeed, the only fault of the city was too great kindness to their enemies, who were more honoured than the friends of others (cp.
Thus in the Cratylus he is run away with (410 E); in the Phaedrus he has heard somebody say something (235 C)—is inspired by the genius loci (238 D); in the Symposium he derives his wisdom from Diotima of Mantinea, and the like.
That I should be able to speak is no great wonder, Menexenus, considering that I have an excellent mistress in the art of rhetoric,—she who has made so many good speakers, and one who was the best among all the Hellenes—Pericles, the son of Xanthippus.
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 The Internet Classics Archive | Lysis, or Friendship by Plato
In the meantime Menexenus came back and sat down in his place by Lysis; and Lysis, in a childish and affectionate manner, whispered privately in my ear, so that Menexenus should not hear: Do, Socrates, tell Menexenus what you have been telling me.
I certainly cannot refuse, I said, since you ask me; but then, as you know, Menexenus is very pugnacious, and therefore you must come to the rescue if he attempts to upset me.
Yes, indeed, he said; he is very pugnacious, and that is the reason why I want you to argue with him.
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The Menexenus or Funeral Oration is cited by Aristotle, and is interesting
Menexenus would be at the end of the Phaedrus.
Hippias and the Menexenus, it is to be compared to the earlier writings of
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 Lysis (tr. Benjamin Jowett) by Plato
absence of Menexenus, who is called away to take part in a sacrifice.
relation Menexenus is his great friend, shall call him.
Menexenus is very pugnacious, and therefore you must come to the rescue if
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 Menexenus , Plato
MENEXENUS: Yes, Socrates, I shall be ready to hold office, if you allow
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