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	A Plea for Gamism (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-20)
		Minmaxing is on the same level as steroids/steroid-like substances for sports, copying moves in chess (instead of understanding and learning from them), or getting plastic surgery as an actor.
		Of course that is another thing that differentiates steroids from minmaxing, since minmaxing isn't by itself unhealthy (and proper minmaxing in sports would balance the short term performance improvement of steroids against the long term health effects).
		I think most of the uncomfortableness people have with minmaxing is due to a clash of agendas, or a feeling that gamism is somehow inferior to other forms of roleplay.
	www.indie-rpgs.com /forum/index.php?topic=17729.0 (3579 words)

	Wizards Community - Min-Maxing vs. Powergaming (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-20)
		One of the major reasons min/maxers have such a bad reputation with gamers in general is because a fair number of self-styled min/maxers are also rampant powergamers.
		When confronted with rules that are clearly broken, the min/maxer is not happy; he or she recognizes that unbalanced rules actually reduce the number of valid options, and therefore are counterproductive to min/maxing.
		The min/maxer accepts the triple critical roll of the DM thereby destroying their character and set about to either make a new one to not suffer the same fate, OR wait for a resurrection.
	boards1.wizards.com /archive/index.php/t-182443.html (9410 words)

	This Is My Blog: Loving the Minimax
		Can we all agree that the afformentioned “bad player” is pretty much what is being talked about when most RPG players talk about “minmaxers?” If not, say so, but you won't like the rest of this essay if you disagree with that.
		Minmaxing exists because of the imbalance in "rights" to affect that space.
		Another thought: Minmaxing seems often to be players trying to regress that balance by having undeniable "facts" to assert their right to influence the game on a social level (as well as system level).
	benlehman.blogspot.com /2005/05/loving-minimax.html (2616 words)

	Relic Forums - Grey Knights Radical Army
		Besides minmaxing squads is a bad thing to do, its seen as both cheesy and ineffective at times.
		Minmaxing is pretty much the only possible way to win in a competitive tournament environment, especially with a list as weak as the Demon Hunters.
		The very fact that he's using the Demon Hunter's codex to build his list in the first place automatically means the list won't be cheesy.
	forums.relicnews.com /showthread.php?t=87072 (1523 words)

	The Gentleman Gamist (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-20)
		In other words, the true Gamist (as opposed to minmaxer or munchkin or whatever) wants to be MacGyver.
		Any designer who has a system that's "abuseable" in a currency way, and says "the GM has to stop the players from abusing the system" has made a bad system.
		Include it or be rid of it as an intentional part of design in order to support the style of play you want to engender.
	www.indie-rpgs.com /viewtopic.php?t=6369 (2238 words)

	[No title] (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-20)
		Abstract: Algorithms developed to play two person computer games, typically generate a game tree to some arbitrary depth, then using some static evaluation function estimates of the utility values of the leaf nodes are computed, and minmaxing is used to approximate the utility values of ancestor nodes.
		What distinguishes these algorithms from one another is the rules /heuristics used in guiding the creation of the game tree, together with heuristics embedded in the evaluation function to score leaf nodes.
		We show that such algorithm admits an interpretation as a generalized minmax search.
	academics.adelphi.edu /artsci/math/abstracts/gus.dec10.abstract.txt (92 words)

	OgreCave.com - Interviews - Sean Reynolds (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-20)
		I know I've got a few players in my campaign that take over an hour to make a simple fighter as they puruse each book in search of the perfect feat and the perfect Prestige Class to go into.
		3E is actually built to accomodate minmaxing without letting it take over the game; you actually have to balance something assuming a minmaxing player in order to make sure that the minmaxer can't get extremely powerful combos.
		This is far different from 2E, which often was balanced for a regular character and minmaxing wasn't really considered (or was considered in a "if someone wants to minmax, fine, that's not the average player" sort of way).
	www.ogrecave.com /interviews/seanreynolds.shtml (1889 words)

	Race/Class auto-balance (was Re: Which type of character do you like
		As far as I can see they > are purely there to provide a challenge; the small advantages do not > outweigh the disadvantages.
		> > Elves, dwarves and gnomes can work well if their stat bonues and penalties > fit well with the class's strengths, but this is not as straightforward a > minmaxing exercise as it could be.
		Sure, a dwarven combat-wombat begins > with better Str and Con; but the ultimate restriction on Int and/or Wis > may well make the difference between valuable utility spells for a human > of the same class and nothing for the dwarf.
	www.gamesreviews.net /message212776.html (449 words)

	Archives - virtualdub.org
		Out of curiosity I went back and tried beating that game, and it took me over an hour just to beat the first boss.
		So I restarted and did some good ole' fashioned minmaxing.
		I still haven't bothered with the card game, however, as it's too annoying to collect cards for a card game that I habitually lose in between hours of fighting.
	www.virtualdub.org /blog/archives/archive_2005-m01.php (160 words)

	VN Boards - Minmaxing and templates
		All those threads sure look suspisciously (gah, so I'm not a speller) similar.
		If you don't want to spend the time (hours/days or even weeks if you are just beginning) then just look around here and find a template that you like, and copy it =)
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	vnboards.ign.com /.../b20909/90913334/r90918466 (626 words)

	Minmaxing DnD 3.5 characters - RPGnet Forums
		Anyway, the point is, I've never played dnd (I did run a short game, but that's beside the point, really) and I need tips for character creation, especially in ways to create teh UBERCHARACTER.
		So, regaile me with your minmax creatures of DOOOM
		Obey these or face the music, and possibly a dance routine
	forum.rpg.net /showthread.php?t=95544 (256 words)

	Podcast.net - The Podcast Directory
		We have RPG News, A discussion about MinMaxing, Listener Feedback, and the ever popular, In Our Game Section.
		We continue our discussion about MinMaxing with some very good insight from our listeners.
		As always we finish up with In Our Game where we deal with us setting up a ne...
	www.podcast.net /show/64486 (841 words)

	Amazon.co.uk: Tome and Blood: A Guidebook to Wizards and Sorcerers: Toys & Games (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-20)
		After I had read the Core books, and formed quite high opinions on the new DandD game, this book was quite like a cold shower.
		Chapter One: Arcane Lore contains informations on minmaxing arcane spellcasters, descriptions of more powerful familiars and two wizard dwellings.
		One difference between 2nd edition class books and this one was that thare are no roleplaying hints in here.
	www.amazon.co.uk /exec/obidos/ASIN/0786918454 (616 words)

	EN World - Morrus' D&D / d20 News & Reviews Site - Min / Max a Druid
		Hi guys, I've got some problems MinMaxing a 7th level Druid, just because I can see it's not bad, but I can't imagine how to make him kick ass...
		The only limitation 'bout the books are the Wizards official books, so please let me see how a Druid is to be played...
		You could do a very similar one w/ a 1/2 orc, but I thought the Wood Elf sounded more "druidic"
	www.enworld.org /printthread.php?t=1260 (1798 words)

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