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  Parmenides (dialogue) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Parmenides is one of the dialogues of Plato.
The Parmenides purports to be an account of a meeting between the two great philosophers of the Eleatic school, Parmenides and Zeno of Elea, and a very young Socrates.
This difficult second part of the dialogue is generally agreed to be one of the most challenging, and sometimes bizarre, pieces in the whole of the Platonic corpus.
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 The Internet Classics Archive | Parmenides by Plato
I see, Parmenides, said Socrates, that Zeno would like to be not only one with you in friendship but your second self in his writings too; he puts what you say in another way, and would fain make believe that he is telling us something which is new.
Because, Socrates, said Parmenides, we have admitted that the ideas are not valid in relation to human things; nor human things in relation to them; the relations of either are limited to their respective spheres.
I cannot refuse, said Parmenides; and yet I feel rather like Ibycus, who, when in his old age, against his will, he fell in love, compared himself to an old racehorse, who was about to run in a chariot race, shaking with fear at the course he knew so well-this was his simile of himself.
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 Plato, Parmenides ToC: The Online Library of Liberty   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
Parmenides attributes the difficulties in which Socrates is involved to a want of comprehensiveness in his mode of reasoning; he should consider every question on the negative as well as the positive hypothesis, with reference to the consequences which flow from the denial as well as from the assertion of a given statement.
The Parmenides belongs to that stage of the dialogues of Plato in which he is partially under their influence, using them as a sort of ‘critics or diviners’ of the truth of his own, and of the Eleatic theories.
In the earlier dialogues the Socratic conception of universals is illustrated by his genius; in the Phaedrus the nature of division is explained; in the Republic the law of contradiction and the unity of knowledge are asserted; in the later dialogues he is constantly engaged both with the theory and practice of classification.
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 Parmenides - Psychology Central   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
Parmenides of Elea (early 5th century BC) was an ancient Greek philosopher born in Elea, a Greek city on the southern coast of Italy.
Parmenides' considerable influence on the thinking of Plato is undeniable, and in this respect Parmenides has influenced the whole history of Western philosophy, and is often seen as its grandfather.
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 A History of Western Philosophy 1.9b
The devil's advocate in the dialogue is Parmenides, a significant fact, and Socrates, grown young and beautiful, is in this dialogue the one to be convicted of ignorance.
The rest of the dialogue consists of the exemplification of this art by discussing the theory of Parmenides that being is one.
Since the present dialogue is concerned with the sophist and is followed by another concerned with the politician, it is felt that Plato originally intended to devote a dialogue to the philosopher himself but for some reason changed his mind.
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 Study Questions for Plato's Parmenides 127-135d
The Aristotle of this dialogue is a contemporary of Socrates and later became a member of the infamous oligarchy of the Thirty Tyrants.
The dialogue continues from this point with the rest of those listening to Parmenides exhorting him to save the day with a full deduction of how everything could be said to be and not to be in every way whatsoever.
Parmenides: "Let us then say...that, as it seems, whether one is or is not, it and the others both are and are not, and both appear and do not appear all things in all ways, both in relation to themselves and in relation to each other." Aristotle: "Very True." (166c)
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And, if the Parmenides is spurious, like Ueberweg, we are led on further than we originally intended, to pass a similar condemnation on the Theaetetus and Sophist, and therefore on the Politicus (compare Theaet., Soph.).
Parmenides may still have thought that 'Being was,' just as Kant would have asserted the existence of 'things in themselves,' while denying the transcendental use of the Categories.
I cannot refuse, said Parmenides; and yet I feel rather like Ibycus, who, when in his old age, against his will, he fell in love, compared himself to an old racehorse, who was about to run in a chariot race, shaking with fear at the course he knew so well--this was his simile of himself.
www.gutenberg.org /dirs/etext99/prmds10.txt   (19866 words)

 Plato's Parmenides   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
Parmenides’ doctrine appears at first to be in dramatic contrast to Heraclitus’ doctrine that everything is in flux.
Parmenides thus shows that the theory of forms, at least on the face of it, is not intelligible.
Turnbull, Robert G. The Parmenides and Plato’s Late Philosophy: Translation of and Commentary on the Parmenides with Interpretive Chapters on the Timaeus, the Theaetetus, the Sophist, and the Philebus (Toronto: University of Toronto Press).
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 Presocratics: My Work
Plato and Parmenides dialogue with each other not only about issues of epistemology, but also about other crucial issues: mortality, living in the physical world of change, and longings (eros) of the soul (thumos or psyche).
Parmenides call mortals "two-headed." This dissertation presents a new philosophical hermeneutic for understanding all the fragments of Parmenides’ poem "Peri Phuseos" ("About Nature"), by returning the logical ontology to its context within the poem, between the proem and the cosmology.
Parmenides attempts a radical synthesis of metaphysics of unchanging being and mortal phusis.
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 Plato's Parmenides and the Dilemma of Participation
Within this group, some read Parmenides II as a polemical tour-de-force in which methods of argument derived from Zeno are turned against their originator, in an effort by Plato to show that Zeno's own monistic views lead to absurdities of the very sort he purports to demonstrate against the champions of pluralism.
Of that still substantial Plato literature which is left, there is a further distinction to be made between the study of Platonism, which involves study of the dialogues along with many other factors, texts, and influences, and the study and interpretation of the dialogues in and for themselves.
Unity in the Parmenides: the unity of the Parmenides.
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 Bryn Mawr Classical Review 97.10.09
The book is both a new translation of the Parmenides (by Gill and Ryan) and an elementary introduction to the philosophical problems posed by the dialogue (by Gill), and on both counts it is highly to be recommended.
For Allen the Parmenides was a teaching text intended to challenge the students at the Academy by presenting them with a complex, reticulated aporia designed to show them that there are insoluble problems associated with applying the theory of Forms to unrestricted terms such as Being, Unity, Sameness, Difference, and the rest.
The difficult lesson of the dialogue, then, is that the student of the Academy, in order to progress beyond the naive idealism of Plato's early period and the problematic idealism of his middle period, must discover how it is possible for the One to be both One and Many.
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 Bryn Mawr Classical Review 97.2.5
For example, I once had occasion to catalogue twenty-two distinct and mutually exclusive interpretations of the Parmenides, a dialogue that is generally recognized as the gateway to the later works.
Schofield, emphasizing the tentative dialectical method of the Parmenides, focuses on the so-called second version of the Third Man Argument, arguing that it is a Form of Likeness that generates the vicious regress and that Plato wishes to explore the consequences for eliminating this Form and others like it.
He calls the work a "dialogue of search," that is, a work that, however imperfectly, mimics the actual process of discovery of answers to important philosophical questions.
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 Parmenides, by Plato (introduction)
To the latter part of the dialogue we may certainly apply the words in which he himself describes the earlier philosophers in the Sophist: ‘They went on their way rather regardless of whether we understood them or not.’
Cephalus, of Clazomenae in Ionia, the birthplace of Anaxagoras, a citizen of no mean city in the history of philosophy, who is the narrator of the dialogue, describes himself as meeting Adeimantus and Glaucon in the Agora at Athens.
But to the mind of Parmenides and Plato, ‘Gott- betrunkene Menschen,’ there still remained the idea of ‘being’ or ‘good,’; which could not be conceived, defined, uttered, but could not be got rid of.
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 The symbolic structure of Plato's Parmenides
This page is part of the "e-mail archives" section of a site, Plato and his dialogues, dedicated to developing a new interpretation of Plato's dialogues.
Then obviously, Parmenides sees himself as the discoverer of the true intelligible "idea", thus standing in the place of the stranger, and his beloved pupil Zeno should be by that time the true visible philosophos that Socrates tries to become.
Parmenides alone stays in place in the fourth segment, in the same place as the Stranger.
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 Zeno of Elea - Greek Philosopher - Crystalinks   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
Although written nearly a century after Zeno's death, the primary source of biographical information of Zeno is the dialogue of Plato called the Parmenides.
In the dialogue, Plato describes a visit to Athens by Zeno and Parmenides, at a time when Parmenides is "about 65", Zeno is "nearly 40" and Socrates is "a very young man" (Parmenides 127).
Plato also has Zeno say that this work, "meant to protect the arguments of Parmenides" was written in Zeno's youth, stolen, and published without his consent.
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Parmenides is going to raise problems, not solve them, or may we say Plato is going to do that.
Parmenides' demonstration, you recall, is to take up serially eight hypotheses: If there is and is not a one, what shall we say about it, and about the others.
Parmenides had suggested in effect that Socrates consider, if there is or is not a many, what shall we say about them and about the one, both with reference to themselves and to each other.
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 Parmenides' Impossibilties - Philosophy
In this dialogue the young Socrates crosses words with the eleatic philosopher and his student Zeno.
This portion cannot be thought of as a part, this is one of Parmenides impossibilities, because a whole with parts isn’t one but many and the forms are to be one.
While Parmenides points out the holes in the theory of forms this doesn’t sound its dirge.
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 The Parmenides
The Parmenides involves the young Socrates.  Ironically, however, it is generally thought to be a late dialogue.  Parmenides is much older and seems to be presented as wiser than Socrates whom he gives advice to.
Now, Parmenides questions Socrates.  First, he presses Socrates on what there are Forms of.  Certainly Likeness, One, Many, Just, Beautiful, Good.  It’s not certain whether there are Forms of the Human Being, Fire, Water.  And Socrates does not think there is a Form of Hair, Mud or Dirt—that would be too absurd.
· Parmenides gives two criticisms of this.  First, the thoughts had better be of something, and then it is that something that is presumably going to be the Form, and so we haven’t got away from Forms outside the mind, and the old Third Man argument reappears.
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 Plato's Parmenides   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-03)
The "second half" (Part III) of the dialogue is much longer than the "first half" (Part II).
Part III involves a complex succession of proofs about Unity (which is supposed to be Parmenides' own One Being, but seems more like a form of Unity).
This part of the dialogue has been seen as an exercise in dialectic for Plato's students, as a philosphical joke, or as a dense maze in which we must pick out certain pointers toward the truth about participation and Forms.
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Available online at http://classics.mit.edu//Plato/parmenides.html Parmenides By Plato Translated by Benjamin Jowett Persons of the Dialogue CEPHALUS ADEIMANTUS GLAUCON ANTIPHON PYTHODORUS SOCRATES ZENO PARMENIDES ARISTOTELES Scene Cephalus rehearses a dialogue which is supposed to have been narrated in his presence by Antiphon, the half-brother of Adeimantus and Glaucon, to certain Clazomenians.
When he had finished, Parmenides expressed their feelings in the following words:- Socrates, he said, I admire the bent of your mind towards philosophy; tell me now, was this your own distinction between ideas in themselves and the things which partake of them?
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 Philosophical Dictionary: Pacifism-Particular
Presocratic philosopher whose work is best known to us in fragmentary reports from other philosophers.
Parmenides used sophisticated logical language in the epic poem
Followers of Parmenides included Zeno of Elea and other Eleatics.
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 Parmenides Publishing | About Us
The Account of Socrates' Meeting with Parmenides and Zeno of Elea, from Plato's Dialogue The Parmenides
Selected Translations of the Fragments arranged in groups of five lines.
Second Group - Leonardo Taran - Parmenides, relevant text throughout the book.
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