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Topic: Polemarchus


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  Republic 1
If Polemarchus has ever made a mistake between a true friend and a phony, then his justice may entail giving goods to enemies (false friends) and harms to friends (falsely accused innocents).
Polemarchus is accustomed to counting people who look like him, belong to his profession, speak his language as friends and anyone else as an enemy (the barbarian).
Polemarchus is generous to comrades, the just and unjust alike.
www.molloy.edu /sophia/plato/republic/rep1a_comm.htm   (1831 words)

  
 PlanetPapers - The Republic - Book 1 - Theme of Justice
However, Polemarchus’ view does not distinguish acting justly from acting in accordance with what is socially expected, as the treatment of an individual depends upon the nature of their relationship with those in position.
Polemarchus is unable to explain that there are specific characteristics to justice which distinct it from other virtues.
Polemarchus’ failure to identify any specific aims of justice has the further consequence that he can’t declare unjustifiable acts such a theft or perjury.
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Polemarchus said to me, I perceive, Socrates, that you and your companion are already on your way to the city.
But when Polemarchus and I had done speaking and there was a pause, he could no longer hold his peace; and, gathering himself up, he came at us like a wild beast, seeking to devour us.
Polemarchus and I may have been guilty of a little mistake in the argument, but I can assure you that the error was not intentional.
www.sugapablo.net /docs/library/Plato---The-Republic.txt   (17802 words)

  
 Olin Center, Stauffer, Justice in Plato
Polemarchus enters the conversation in defense of his father, invoking the poet Simonides' saying that the just is giving to each what is owed (331d4-e4).
Polemarchus' understanding of justice as helping friends and harming enemies is open, of course, to a number of objections.
Socrates' exchanges with Cephalus and Polemarchus were driven, as I have stressed, by the conviction that justice must be good, a conviction which I suggest ultimately means good for the practitioner as well as the recipient of justice.
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 Plato’s Republic Commentary, Book I
Cephalus and Polemarchus live in the Piraeus, which is where nonresident aliens (roughly, people who are not Athenian citizens) reside, a point that is significant and related to the respective answers they give to the question of "What is Justice?".
At this point Polemarchus admits that he didn't mean to make justice out to be craft of thieving but still believes nonetheless that justice is to benefit one's friends and harm one's enemies.
But if Polemarchus did accept the assumption as Annas claims (which I don't think he does, for the assumption seems too strong to be identified with any parts of Socrates' argument), it would be irrelevant whether Socrates had provided any support for it.
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 repcommBkOne2
That is, both Cephalus and Polemarchus can be seen to be recommending justice, can both be taken to be saying, not only that one ought to be just but also that this is what justice ought to be.
Now as I noted in the case of Polemarchus, the fact that one's account of justice can be misapplied or mistakenly applied (by human beings no less, in the real world!) is hardly to be considered a telling complaint against that account.
Polemarchus responds by noting that Thrasymachus also said that justice is the advantage of the stronger.
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But when Polemarchus and I had done speak- ing and there was a pause, he could no longer hold his peace; and, gathering himself up, he came at us like a wild beast, seeking to devour us.
Polemarchus and I may have been guilty of a little mistake in the argument, but I can assure you that the error was not in- tentional.
But there is no need of any witness, said Polemarchus, for Thrasymachus himself acknowledges that rulers may some- time command what is not for their own interest, and that for subjects to obey them is justice.
www.fordham.edu /halsall/ancient/plato-republic.txt   (18380 words)

  
 CliffsNotes::Republic:Book Summary and Study Guide
Polemarchus essentially recapitulates his father’s remarks in the previous friendly conversation: Justice, he says, is exemplified in “giving everyone what is due and proper to him.” But Socrates is adamant in his refusal of the validity of such a definition, and he returns to his analogy of the friend and the sword.
Polemarchus agrees and then argues that justice may be defined as giving everyone what is “appropriate” to him and that it would be unjust to return a sword to a friend who is in a crazed condition.
Thus it is that, according to Polemarchus’ definition of justice, in our ignorance we may do good to bad men and harm to good men, and surely this is not the achievement of justice.
www.cliffsnotes.com /WileyCDA/LitNote/id-154,pageNum-12.html   (415 words)

  
 Plato, The Republic
Polemarchus resolves this problem by revising his definition: he holds that our friends are those who is both useful and believed to be useful.
Polemarchus is a politician in the Athenian democracy.
Polemarchus was, implicitly, looking at justice from the standpoint of people who have some control over their lives.
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 Warlords or Perfect Guardians (Polemarchus, Republic I)
The purpose of justice in time of peace (Polemarchus' first take on the role of justice was that it is useful in war, 332e) seems to be that it helps to guard money in associations.
In fact, the discussion leads to this definition backwards: Polemarchus first introduces the idea of associations (333a), then is led to limit it to associations about money (333b), and eventually to the sole role of "guardian" (333c).
To be fair to Polemarchus, we may notice that, in the Gorgias, when Socrates starts his "theory of flattery" (462e-466a), he doesn't do it for Polus alone (the thumos), but turns in fact toward Gorgias-logos to do so: such a "theory" needs the participation of the logos for understanding.
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 Character Sheet: Polemarchus by Abdiel
Polemarchus paled and sprinted off with a flash, leaving the rest of the group smiling bemusedly in his wake.
Polemarchus in particular was the worst kind of abomination: the kind that wasn't cognizant of its own malevolence - worse yet the kind that wouldn't shut up.
Polemarchus would play a note whenever Marlowe walked into the room, play a note two seconds after Marlowe's restless dreams drove him from sleep, play a note whenever his gun got overly anxious.
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 GradeSaver: ClassicNote: The Republic Study Guide
Once Polemarchus and several other men catch up to Socrates and Glaucon after the celebratory procession, Polemarchus, desirous of Socrates' delightful conversation, compels him to join their company at his home.
Thrasymachus, silent until now, suddenly bursts into the debate, angry with Polemarchus for yielding too easily but even more so with Socrates for his "ironic style." After his accusations have been answered, Thrasymachus poses his own definition of justice: the interest of the stronger.
A central problem with Polemarchus' definition (borrowed from Simonides)‹a form of conventional morality‹of justice, "doing good to your friends and harm to your enemies," is the vulnerability of its individual terms.
www.gradesaver.com /classicnotes/titles/republic/section3.html   (1159 words)

  
 Republic Intro and Book I
Polemarchus is trying to give us rules and definitions that work without our having to think, like the sort of thing we find inscribed over a courthouse: "Justice is the giving to each man his proper due.
Polemarchus (333 B) pretends to answer like a businessman: justice is useful in making contracts.
Polemarchus retreats and tries another path: Justice is useful when you want to leave valuables with someone for safekeeping.
www.columbia.edu /~kdc2101/ebz5/cc/republic_book1.htm   (2927 words)

  
 Polemarchus, Thrasymachus, Glaucon and Socrates
Polemarchus' view is a common view illustrated by a lot of human conduct, as well as many of the actions of the gods and heroes in Greek mythology.
To elaborate: The view that Polemarchus supports is sometimes called "tit for tat" or, in negative form, "An eye for an eye, a life for a life." If party A does a favor for party B, then party B ought to return the favor.
Polemarchus would have been familiar with this sort of thing from family rivalries in Greek politics, from the history of relationships between the Greek city states, and between Greeks and non-Greek powers (such as the Persians).
www.wku.edu /~jan.garrett/r1&2vws.htm   (1761 words)

  
 Polemarchus and republic outline and book 1 and plato
Polemarchus, the heir to his father Cephalus' goods, now becomes the heir of his argument.
Polemarchus ("P") will appeal to the poet Simonides for a second definition of justice.
Even though Polemarchus is tied up in intellectual knots, S decides to probe further on his definition of a friend.
www.drbilllong.com /Jurisprudence/RepOutII.html   (1154 words)

  
 Thoughts on the Republic
At this point, Polemarchus restates Simonides position that justice is benefiting one's friends who are really good human beings and injuring one's enemies who are really evil human beings.
Polemarchus becomes convinced that his refined definition of justice is critically flawed and is ready to join Socrates on his side of the debate.
Polemarchus, Simonides, and Thrasymachus definition of justice are simply that of a two-year-old, nothing more and nothing less.
www127.pair.com /critical/rep-1.htm   (1513 words)

  
 Plato Republic Justice Philosophy Essays -- Justice In Plato's The Republic
Polemarchus initially asserts that justice is “to give to each what is owed” (Republic 331d), a definition he picked up from Simonides.
Polemarchus also allows for the possibility of common good through his insistence on helping friends.
To Polemarchus nothing is more important than his circle of friends, and through their benefit he benefits, what makes them happy pleases him.
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 Free Barron's BookNotes for Barron's Booknotes - The Republic by Plato-Free Literature Summaries/Booknotes from ...
Polemarchus says that justice is benefiting one's friends and harming one's enemies.
Because justice, according to Polemarchus' definition, appears to be the craft of keepers of things not in use (money and property), and because good keepers are in a position to be the best thieves, justice appears to be the craft of thieving, to the benefit, of course, of one's friends.
Polemarchus is forced to be more precise about what he means by "friend." He says "that the man who both seems and is good is the friend.
www.pinkmonkey.com /booknotes/barrons/republc08.asp   (628 words)

  
 Republic Main page
Polemarchus denies this was at all what he had in mind.
Polemarchus reaffirms his thesis (credited to the poet Simonides) that ‘justice is helping friends and harming enemies.’ Socrates: does ‘friend’ cover only real friends or also apparent friends?
Now Polemarchus’ definition must be modified to run, ‘it is just to do good to our friends when they are good and evil to our enemies when they are evil.’ But soon yet another modification proves necessary: ‘to injure someone.
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SOCRATES - POLEMARCHUS - GLAUCON - ADEIMANTUS Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and our companion are already on your way to the city.
GLAUCON - CEPHALUS - SOCRATES Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his brothers Lysias and Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the Chalcedonian, Charmantides the Paeanian, and Cleitophon the son of Aristonymus.
For if, as you say, justice is the obedience which the subject renders to their commands, in that case, O wisest of men, is there any escape from the conclusion that the weaker are commanded to do, not what is for the interest, but what is for the injury of the stronger?
www.lib.umd.edu /ETC/ReadingRoom/Nonfiction/RepublicPlato/book01   (8938 words)

  
 POLS270: Plato's Republic Book 1
[8] Polemarchus said to me, I perceive, Socrates, that you and your companion are already on your way to the city.
[22] Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his brothers Lysias and Euthydemus, and with them Thrasymachus the Chalcedonian, Charmantides the Paeanian, and Cleitophon, the son of Aristonymus.
[232] But there is no need of any witness, said Polemarchus, for Thrasymachus himself acknowledges that rulers may sometime command what is not for their own interest, and that for subjects to obey them is justice.
ball.tcnj.edu /pol270/plato/republic_1_1_490.htm   (9787 words)

  
 Plato: Republic: Book I
PERSONS OF THE DIALOGUE: Socrates, who is the narrator; Glaucon; Adeimantus; Polemarchus; Cephalus; Thrasymachus; Cleitophon; And others who are mute auditors.
Yes, Polemarchus, — Thrasymachus said that for subjects to do what was commanded by their rulers is just.
For I know not what justice is, and therefore I am not likely to know whether it is or is not a virtue, nor can I say whether the just man is happy or unhappy.
www.constitution.org /pla/repub_01.htm   (9117 words)

  
 The Internet Classics Archive | The Republic by Plato
Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and our companion are already on your way to the city.
Then in what sort of partnership is the just man a better partner than the harp-player, as in playing the harp the harp-player is certainly a better partner than the just man?
Yes, Polemarchus, --Thrasymachus said that for subjects to do what was commanded by their rulers is just.
classics.mit.edu /Plato/republic.2.i.html   (9039 words)

  
 NovelGuide: The Republic: Novel Summary: Chapter 1
The opening scene begins in the home of Cephalus, where his son, Polemarchus, lives as well.
This inspires Polemarchus and Thrasymachus to consider the nature of justice with Socrates.
When Socrates criticizes Polemarchus' idea that man should spite his enemies, Thrasymuchus asserts that those with power have a monopoly over justice— they determine it as they see fit, despite the protests of the powerless.
www.novelguide.com /therepublic/novelsummary.html   (739 words)

  
 The Republic, Dialogue by Plato - Book I
Socrates, who is the narrator; Glaucon; Adeimantus; Polemarchus; Cephalus; Thrasymachus; Cleitophon; And others who are mute auditors.
The scene is laid in the house of Cephalus at the Piraeus; and the whole dialogue is narrated by Socrates the day after it actually took place to Timaeus, Hermocrates, Critias, and a nameless person, who are introduced in the Timaeus.
And he who is not on a voyage has no need of a pilot?
www.saliu.com /philosophy/Republic_I.html   (9105 words)

  
 The Dialogues of Plato, in 5 volumes (1892) Vol. III. The Republic: The Online Library of Liberty   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-18)
Meeting of Socrates and Glaucon with Polemarchus at the Bendidean festival.
Steph. 327I WENT down yesterday to the Piraeus with Glaucon the son of Ariston, that I might offer up my prayers to the goddess1; and also because I wanted to see in what manner they would celebrate the festival, which was a new thing.
But you ought not on all occasions to do either.
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 republic37.book1
When Polemarchus says that justice requires benefiting friends and harming enemies, who does he think our friends and enemies are?
Socrates convinces Polemarchus to change his view of who our friends and enemies are.
Does Polemarchus think justice is a human excellence (or virtue)?
www.unc.edu /~mateo/republic37_book1.html   (356 words)

  
 Plato's Republic - Socrates' interlocutors
-- Polemarchus : uncertainty, give each one his due
Transition : joint efforts of Polemarchus, Adeimantus, Thrasymachus and Glaucon
(Against Polemarchus : "all in common" vs. "each one his due")
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 Plato   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-18)
Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and our
But when Polemarchus and I had done speaking and there was a pause,
Polemarchus and I may have been guilty of a little mistake in
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 Draco Books - Plato.The Republic.   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-18)
Polemarchus said to me: I perceive, Socrates, that you and your companion
Yes, said Polemarchus, and not only so, but a festival will be celebrated
Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and there we found his
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 Policy Studies Organization   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-18)
Polemarchus, the son of Cephalus, chanced to catch sight of
Polemarchus said to me, I perceive, Socrates, that you and
Accordingly we went with Polemarchus to his house; and
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