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Topic: Protoindoeuropean

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  languagehat.com: PIE VERBS AND STRESS.
Shuswap, as I remember, an amerindian language of British Columbia, i.e.
the northernmost of the Interior Salish languages, is said to have phonetics that strongly resemble the presumed phonetics of ProtoIndoEuropean.
I got that from Aert H. Kuipers, The Shuswap Language, 1974.
www.languagehat.com /archives/001944.php   (379 words)

 Seashore Poetry Gentle Critiques Forum: Re: BETWEEN HEART BEATS
One could insert at any point here a a new line as into stream of consciousness and hope it would fit the form of a poem, much as placing sticks together can sort of build a house and hope it will fill the space and serve the same as a house.
Synonyms and homophones are interesting especially in the protoindoeuropean languages.
And too, it must be said that Finnegan's Wake, early twentieth century icon as it is in stream of consciousnes certainly stands out as readable- in fact highly so in the hands of someone who also wrote "The Dubliners" and "Poertait of an Artist as a Young Man" Still.
members5.boardhost.com /OceansidePoetry/msg/71.html   (375 words)

 The Noble Path
The Eternal Tradition, Senotenodhermn in ProtoIndoEuropean, Sanatanadharma in Sanskrit, Senotenoderma in Nemeta Iectis (Old Celtic), also called Arioweghya, is the religion and culture of the IndoEuropean peoples.
This includes the ancient and original form, as well as all the branches and descendants of it, which have remained true to the noble principles of our culture.
These terms are in the form of reconstructed ProtoIndoEuropean used by the IndoEuropean tribe called Teuta Leukwios, which was founded by Belenios before his initiation as a Druid.
groups.msn.com /TheNoblePath/senotenodhermnarioweghyesyo.msnw   (183 words)

 LINGUIST List 14.1630: Etymology of Greek word PALAIOS
JFF The problem with the Tamil loan etymology for paleo is that in fact, that word has a doublet in Greek itself -- the Greek form tele- is related to it.
They both come from the same *ProtoIndoeuropean source, a root *kwal MYC The Greek doublet tele-and its source word Kwal are very much available in Tamil.
Tholai is distant which compares with tele-in Greek.It is more probable that the word tholai can be derived from thol, than the word tele- having come from Kwal which begins with a distinctly different sound Kwa.
www.ling.ed.ac.uk /linguist/issues/14/14-1630.html   (572 words)

 interact, by Sean Meade
A remarkable thing happens in such waters: wood, cloth, food, and other organic materials do not decay and disappear — ships that went to the bottom hundreds or thousands of years ago still rest on the seafloor in almost the same condition as when they sailed the surface (via the always excellent lagado on MetaFilter).
This may bear fruit in study of the ProtoIndoEuropean culture that probably began near this area.
There's some interesting speculation that the flood which created the Black Sea could have been Noah's flood (if you accept that Noah's flood was not a global flood).
seanmeade.blogspot.com /2001/03/exploring-black-sea-with-robotic.html   (201 words)

 New Tongues vs Diversities of Tongues III
Vulgate: Sacrementum" [Thayer] "a secret; the secret of a friend, of private life, of State, and of a king; a secret symbol.
NOTE: The English word 'pure' derives (via loan from Latin purus) from the Protoindoeuropean stem *peue- which means "to purify, cleanse" [AHDofIER] and may in fact come from the ultimate source as bârar.
Although some may see Zephaniah 3:9 as a reference to glossolalia, it speaks of clarified, refined, and purified speech in general.
www.bereanonline.com /tongues24.html   (1306 words)

 LINGUIST List 12.1054: Lang Family Trees, W African Lang Identity   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
This policy was instituted to help control the huge volume of mail on LINGUIST; so we would appreciate your cooperating with it whenever it seems appropriate.
Dear fellow linguists, I'd be more than grateful if you could emlighten me about where to find trees pertaining to the language family trees for English (ProtoIndoEuropean) and Arabic (Hamito-Semitic).
I am researching a man who was kidnapped and enslaved from West Africa about 1750 and brought to the United States.
www.ling.ed.ac.uk /linguist/issues/12/12-1054.html   (289 words)

 Talk History Forum - Latin
But supposing that it was the oldest it doesn't explain why it should be the source of the Latin.
I have no opinion of my own on the subject, but at university I was taught that Latin and Sanskrit are both "daughters" of a Protoindoeuropean language, which was spoken somewhere in the middle of Europe (Ukraine possibly), definitely not near any sea.
Apparently not everybody, because this thread's main point is to prove it could be otherwise, isn't it?
www.talk-history.com /forum/printthread.php?t=1756   (2173 words)

 :|Sarcenet.org - Archives - Like reindeer in the sky you can|:   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
I do have a soft spot in my 80s-loving heart for Van Halen, though.
I’m probably repeating myself here, but some theorize that the word “fuck” has the same protoindoeuropean origin as the words “foe”, “fey”, and “fell” (in the old sense=”evil”) and meant something like “drop dead” (”fuck you”).
The sexual stuff came later, according to this suppostion.
www.sarcenet.org /archives/2005/04/06/sammy-hagar-would-be-proud   (288 words)

 Saturation.org: Way of the World
The old ads are interesting enough, but what I got stuck on was the GUI Gallery.
It has a chart showing the development of icons across different systems, across different decades, like how Protoindoeuropean broke down, but by pixels instead of phonemes.
Like anything really small that persists over time, the shifts and differences tell lots of little stories.
www.saturation.org /saturationblog/archives/001593.html   (124 words)

 Etymological Chestnuts Archive
Fume is example of how a Protoindoeuropean TH sometimes is an f in Latin.
If you hold up all the fingers of both hands (not including the thumbs) you have two pointy things - eight.
This word used to be used to support the claim that the Protoindoeuropeans were ruled by kings, since it is used that way in so many diverse languages, but that idea has gone out of favor.
www.finucane.de /archive.htm   (2376 words)

 The Eclectorium: Indo-European Resources
Linguistic Material Archive - various documents concerning current IE research
Information on Nostratic, the hypothetical predecessor of Protoindoeuropean.
The Glottalic Hypothesis" - a speech given by Robert D. King to UT's Mimung Society detailing the controversy over a revolutionary new look at IE phonology.
www.angelfire.com /tx/eclectorium/indoeuro.html   (645 words)

Enquire or inquire, inquisitive and other query words seem to have originated in the Roman Empire.
Unlike most Latin words they have no earlier (Protoindoeuropean) source.
It was originally 'quaerere' (= to search), and designated a search for facts rather than things.
www.bentarz.se /me/292_20040826.html   (542 words)

 Why does Indian music (from India) seem to sound off-key? : Music information from Answerbag   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Eastern music is based on a different palette (to mix metaphors) made up of different collections of notes organized not by ordered blocks but by meticulous melodies and rules (in the middle east "maqams").
If you're used to one or the other the new music sounds as alien and exotic as speech from a different language family from most western tongues (protoindoeuropean).
Give it some time and you can grow to like it.
www.answerbag.com /q_view.php/11418   (141 words)

 inetbot - experimental web and usenet crawler
Protoindoeuropean *s(e)wol-, from base *saewel- "to shine, sun".
Protoindoeuropean element -*el- in the root originally was a suffix and
> Protoindoeuropean *s(e)wol-, from base *saewel- "to shine, sun".
groups.inetbot.com /showgrp/alt_pusage_pspanish_s149.html   (8005 words)

 interact, by Sean Meade: 08/01/2001 - 08/31/2001   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Ryan and Scott (scroll down: 6.8.1 entry (permalink not working properly)) went to see Citizen Fish in OKC.
I don't really agree with Jorn that you can write a web book in one day, but you can edit one, and I'd sure like to do it sometime (if only enough ProtoIndoEuropean stuff was on the web!).
Lots of good stuff over at randomWalks today and yesterday: hipMama:In Defense of Television (a must read for you, Christine), 'The purpose of global poverty...
www.seanmeade.blogspot.com /2001_08_01_seanmeade_archive.html   (3851 words)

 A Deeper Study On Devotional Tongues
Apparently, the King James translators believed that this was what Paul was describing when they supplied the word »unknown« in 1.
NOTE: kainos stems from Protoindoeuropean *ken- which means "fresh, new, young" [AHDofIER], which suggests to me the possibility that God might simply create previously non-existent languages on the fly as he baptizes his people with the Holy Spirit.
This is a list of other instances of this Greek word and how it is used:
www.bereanonline.com /tongues1.html   (1091 words)

The original L. sense is preserved in crescendo, borrowed 1776 as a musical phrase from It., from L. crescendo, abl.
So, the pun you're riffing on (which the folk tale encodes) with 'wax' is certainly supported in the cera(wax)/Ceres(grow) (ProtoIndoEuropean: ker-) pun in Latin.
Does the Latin noun come from the same source as the verb?
brandonbrown.blogspot.com /2005/08/i-want-to-thank-konrad-steiner-for-e.html   (1228 words)

 Luc Steels, Frederic Kaplan, - 1998 - Spontaneous Lexicon Change
But it is well­established that language also changes spontaneously based on an internal dynam­ ics (Labov, 1994).
For example, many sound changes, like from /b/ to /p/, /d/ to /t/, and /g/ to /k/, which took place in the evolution from proto­Indo­European to Modern Germanic languages, do not have an external motivation.
Neither do many shifts in the expression of meanings.
edfu.lis.uiuc.edu /amag/langev/paper/steels98spontaneousLexicon.html   (364 words)

 prove the bible here - Page 3 - Bodybuilding.com Forums
That was far older than the Tower of Babel story.
The best they have been able to do is reconstruct Protoindoeuropean (6,000-8,000 years ago) based on language similarities and sound changes.
I can point you to degreed linguists (not translators or people who speak several languages, but language scientists) who say the 'Protoworld' and 'Nostratic' language theories cannot be proven.
forum1.bodybuilding.com /showthread.php?s=5846d26250221ef8902af8eb8dff11ea&p=3333009   (4099 words)

 The Grey Havens
And the European legends set him to reinventing the legends behind the legends, so to speak - or mythology before idolatry.
And he did so because he believed there was as much truth to European legends as to the story "One day a sheep was grazing on the field..." (the English translation of the first sentence in the protoindoeuropean story).
And that he along with the other Inklings was as likely to find it as philologists to find how our ancestors or the ancestors of the people they got their language from pronounced that story.
www.westmarch.net /TRA%20book%206/LOTRb6c9.htm   (3828 words)

 CGR Community - Allah and God
According to one of my linguistic professors, who knew about 32 languages at the time, most of them dead languages, including Greek and Latin: 'Theos' the Greek word for God does not come from the word for Zeus.
The ProtoIndoEuropean word was from a completely different root than the one from which 'Zeus' descended he said.
I forget what it was, heaven or sky perhaps.
www.christianguitar.org /forums/printthread.php?t=92973   (4302 words)

 continuum glossary   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Held every five or six years on Atlantis, beginning in 12969 BC.
(Greek Atlas "Titan supporting the heavens" < ProtoIndoEuropean [PIE] tel "to lift, support, weigh")
Battle station that can span; modeled after certain Inheritor designs.
www.aetherco.com /continuum/cglossary.html   (1919 words)

 Zulluwth - Glossolalia   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
NT tongue-shaped flame." [Gemoll, translated] NOTE: The Protoindoeuropean root for glôssa is *glôgh- which means "Thorn, point.
Its hypothetical Protoindoeuropean stem is *kwel- which means "to revolve, move around, sojourn, dwell...Suffixed form *kwel-es- in Greek telos, "completion of a cycle", consummation, perfection, end, result (> teleos, perfect, complete)...Suffixed reduplicated form *kw(e)-kwl-o-, cycle.
Germanic *hwewlaz in Old English hweol, hweogol, wheel: wheel 2.
home.sprynet.com /~jbwwhite/tung1.html   (18520 words)

 [No title]   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Again I am working only from memory, but it seems to me that rhotacism
and FART are ultimately derived from the same ProtoIndoEuropean word.
Eric Hamp, where are you when we need you?
www.americandialect.org /americandialectarchives/sept96361.html   (93 words)

 Kazanas-reply   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
He complains that reconstructed forms have been used as if they were real.
"The ProtoIndoEuropean and other Proto-reconstructions also are presented as facts, whereas, of course, they are conjectures."
Precisely in EJVS 7-3 (has he read it at all?) there are examples: Mycenean Greek and Hittite forms, long predicated, have been found after decipherment.
www.people.fas.harvard.edu /~witzel/Kazanas.htm   (7890 words)

 [No title]   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
Research paper/source with information you used in your paper (add this to your paper):
3.14 March 14: "Web formation algorithm" See ProtoIndoEuropean tree on poster
Bottom up parse, begin with leaf nodes - array of "languages", each language has 15 integers
www.tjhsst.edu /~rlatimer/assignments2004/weeklyPlanner05.html   (2728 words)

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