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	Kenneth Bowser - Western Sidereal Astrology : Frequently Asked Questions # Ken Bowser, Astrological Services, Cyril ...
		Sidereal astrology, from the Latin, sidus, (star) or sidereus, (starry), is the type of astrology that reckons celestial longitude from the positions of the stars rather than the vernal equinox.
		The sidereal position is that trait characteristics derive from the archetypal and original zodiac: the zodiac of the stars.
		Sidereal astrology restores the crispness of the sign traits to their original venue which was usurped by the adoption of the tropical zodiac in the West.
	www.westernsiderealastrology.com /faqs/faqs.asp (1281 words)

	Sidereal Zodiac - © Dr Shepherd Simpson
		Definition: [Zodiacs] A band of the heavens approximately 14º wide, centered on the Ecliptic, against which the Sun and planets are seen to move, as seen from the Earth.
		This is the prime difference between this description of the heavens and the other, conventional Western description of the zodiac, the Tropical Zodiac, which is based on the calendar and seasons.
		Sidereal Zodiac B: Fagan Zodiac: The second Sidereal Zodiac claims to represent something even older than the Vedic system, but was either 'formulated' or 'rediscovered' [depending on which side of the discussion you take] in the last century by Cyril Fagan of the Western Siderealist school of astrologers.
	www.geocities.com /astrologyzodiacs/siderealzodiac.htm (1119 words)

	The Zodiac: Sidereal Vs
		He thought that the zodiac itself was merely a human geometry exercise and primarily served to aid the memory of astrologers as they computed aspects in their heads.
		He felt it was unfortunate that both zodiacs use the same names for their 12-fold division of the yearly circle, and he regarded the tropical zodiac as being the proper framework on which to assess the evolution of mankind.
		But precession correction is one thing, a separate sidereal zodiac with delineations for the 12 signs closely resembling those for the tropical zodiac (and using the same names) is a much bigger problem, however solvable on an individual basis through the magic of Mercury and Neptune the case may be.
	www.onereed.com /articles/sidereal-tropical.html (1861 words)

	Sidereal astrology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		Sidereal astrology is the system of astrology used by some western and all Jyotish astrologers which bases their interpretation around the use of the sidereal zodiac.
		It was introduced to the West by the Irish astrologer Cyril Fagan in 1944 and is practiced by a minority of Western astrologers.
		The classical zodiac of Greek astronomy as defined by Ptolemy is tropical in nature, defining the signs relative to vernal equinox regardless of the position of constellations.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Sidereal_astrology (1024 words)

	The Ancient Sky presents: Tropical or Sidereal, the constant question
		Sidereal Astrologers have argued differences which make their system of astrology "superior," claiming that Tropicalists are "off" by 15-16 degrees in their "observation" of the stars.
		The sidereal zodiac is a measurement which finds the zodiac, star by star, to its position, no matter what relationship it has to our elliptical view of it.
		On the contrary, the tropical zodiac is firmly planted in a Sun/Moon relationship, and simply divides the sky by 30-degree sectors, according to its mathematicians, who saw fit to “correct” their math with a nip and a tuck for latitude or longitudinal differences.
	www.ancientsky.com /sidereal.htm (2029 words)

	Tropical zodiac - Free Encyclopedia of Thelema
		The tropical zodiac fixes the position of the sun in the heavens at the northern hemisphere vernal equinox as the first point of the sign of Aries.
		The signs of the zodiac in tropical astrology are therefore currently divorced from the actual constellations of the zodiac.
		This is in contrast to the sidereal zodiac, which is based on the apparent motion of the Sun against the actual constellations of the zodiac in the sky.
	www.egnu.org /thelema/Tropical_zodiac (228 words)

	22 over 7 = [aspects + concepts of matter + energy / form flame light space image + imagination]
		"Sidereal astrology is the practice of some Western and all Indian astrologers to base their study of the sky on the actual position of the planets in relation to the starry background.
		However, the tropical zodiacal system assumes that the constellations are all the same size, which they are not.
		"Also, the tropical zodiacal system neglects the constellation of Ophiuchus, which was recognised as a constellation of the sidereal* zodiac at least 1,700 years ago.
	nmazca.com /3142857/2005/12/sidereally-speakingim-two-minded.htm (514 words)

	Astrological Eras
		From the astronomical perspective, the basic relationship is that between the tropical and the sidereal zodiac, usually assumed to mean the passing of the vernal point backwards through the zodiacal constellations, giving origin to the so-called astrological eras.
		This is a historical problem, consisting in determining where was the zero point of the sidereal zodiac used in antiquity, since the ancients, based on a direct relationship with the nocturnal sky, never bothered to work with tropical positions.
		The difference between the equinoctial zero point (0 Aries in the tropical zodiac) and the zero point of the sidereal zodiac varies slowly with time at a rate of 1 degree per 71.6 years, and is called the "Ayanamsa", a term adopted today by western sidereal astrologers.
	www.expreso.co.cr /centaurs/steiner/epochs.html (1814 words)

	Vedic Astrology Articles \| The Great Sidereal vs Tropical Debate
		The difference between the two zodiacs, therefore, is not so much the content of the zodiac but in the calculation of the starting point of the 1st degree of Aries.
		In Vedic or sidereal astrology the calculation of the Sun passing through the 1st degree of Aries is marked by the Sun passing through the actual observable fixed stars making up the constellation Aries and has nothing to do with the seasons.
		“Sider” means “star” and therefore sidereal astrology is based on the actual astronomical positions of the planets against the backdrop of the fixed star constellations.
	www.lightonvedicastrology.com /articles-sidereal_tropical.htm (2316 words)

	Tropical Zodiac
		If one were using the Sidereal Zodiac (loosely based on the locations of the constellations), then your birth Sun would, indeed, be (approximately) located in 15 degrees of Pisces.
		While the "precession of the zodiac," is important to Tropical Astrology in respect to an astrological concept called the "Astrological Ages," (which I discuss in "The Age of Aquarius") -- it's not relevant to the practice of Tropical Astrology.
		Using the Sidereal Zodiac (and its setting of 0 degrees of Aries) is arbitrarily (and therefore inexactly) based on where the constellation of Aries might actually begin.
	www.thezodiac.com /tropical.htm (1388 words)

	The Sidereal Zodiac
		One is the TROPICAL zodiac used by the western astrologers and the second is the SIDEREAL zodiac used by the Hindu astrologers.
		The TROPICAL ZODIAC is derived from these apparent turning points of the Sun which are based solely upon the secondary motion of the Earth (Spinning on a tilted axis).
		The SIDEREAL ZODIAC, on the other hand, is based solely upon the first primary motion of the Earth, that of its orbit around the Sun.
	www.glenn.freehomepage.com /writings/sidereal/index.html (2074 words)

	Sidereal Astrology
		The Sidereal system of astrology is based on the position of the belt of fixed stars, whereas the Tropical zodiac is based upon the position of the Sun in relation to the Earth.
		The first degree of the Sidereal zodiac is measured from a point 180 degrees opposite the star Spica, whereas the first degree of the Western zodiac occurs when the Sun reaches the position above the equator known as the vernal equinox.
		The Sidereal Zodiac is the choice of Zodiacs for Tera, as it is mathematically more correct and also penetrates into the subtle elements of human nature.
	www.terasstars.com /Astrology.htm (256 words)

	Astrology-Books.com
		The zodiac implied by the dictionary is the Fixed Zodiac, the Sidereal, or star circle.
		Therefore the reason the Sidereal zodiac is star based is not because it aligns with the constellations, but because it uses stars to calculate the fiducial.
		This is the fl sheep of the zodiac family, having a having a historical significance that is difficult to trace, but it comes to use from India, where it was supposedly used in divination.
	www.astrology-books.com /articles2.html (1159 words)

	Paradigm - Sidereal Astrology
		Sidereal, or stellar, time is a system of time reckoning based on the rotation of the Earth with respect to the celestial sphere, the imaginary sphere of the heavens surrounding us.
		The sidereal year, determined by the Earth's position with respect to the stars, is 365.25636 mean solar days which means that the year goes on a tiny bit longer every year.
		Sidereal Moon void of courses, the sign a planet is in and the timing of the aspects are NOT the same as tropical, although the actual aspects themselves are, i.e., when Neptune is square Moon tropically or sidereally...it is. The definitions of the signs, planets, or aspects are still the same.
	members.aol.com /discord23/astrol.htm (1845 words)

	For and Against: The Zodiac Debate by David McCann and Kenneth Bowser
		The inertia of tradition coupled to the remarkable achievement of the Almagest had founded the tropical zodiac: most people then displayed the right trait characteristics because the sidereal signs were not far out of alignment with their bogus tropical namesakes.
		Neither the vaunted Neugebauer nor anybody I have ever read, whose views are corroborated by evidence, and who has examined the material first hand, claims the Babylonians used the cardinal points except as a means to intercalate their lunar calendar and as a schematic argument to determine the length of daylight.
		The Babylonians wrote about the intrinsic natures of the planets and the sidereal signs centuries before the Greeks: the Babylonians developed the doctrine of the four triplicities, (and the trine aspect taken over by the Greeks), in addition to furnishing the entire zodiac eventually adopted by the Greeks.
	www.skyscript.co.uk /sidereal2.html (1551 words)

	Signs of the Zodiac: What Are They?
		The zodiac at this period in history was plainly sidereal, and the exaltations and triangles (four groups of three signs each now associated with the four elements) were in place.
		Hindu astrology implicitly recognizes a wave action in the zodiac in its use of harmonic charts as well as in the doctrine that a planet positioned near the junction of two signs is critically placed and unstable in its action.
		Because the area of overlap between the zodiacs at present is only 1/5 of a sign, and harmonic effects would diminish toward the ends of signs, it is very difficult to judge which zodiac might be the most accurate when only personal opinion and observation are used for measurement.
	www.snowcrest.net /sunrise/aharmsign.htm (2533 words)

	Sidereal Astrology - Jyotish (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-08-30)
		The study of the twelve houses of the Sidereal horoscope reveals one's destiny in all areas of life.
		The Sidereal or Eastern system of astrology is based on the position of the belt of fixed stars and constellations in the heavens, whereas the Tropical zodiac or the Western astrological system is based upon the position of the Sun in relation to the Earth.
		The first degree of the Sidereal zodiac is measured from a point 180 degrees opposite the star Spica, whereas the first degree of the Western zodiac occurs when the Sun reaches the position above the equator known as the vernal equinox, on or about the 22nd of March each year.
	www.agt-gems.com /Book/Sidereal/index.html (631 words)

	Sidereal Horoscopes by Subal Das (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-08-30)
		The sidereal system of astrology based on the movement of the planets in relationship to the constellations is much more ancient and accurate.
		Sepharial wrote of this in 1898 and called the sidereal system the "Natural Zodiac" and the tropical system the "Intellectual Zodiac." An Irishman, named Cyril Fagan rediscovered the sidereal zodiac and first published his findings in 1947.
		The quality of energy that is manifested by the planets and angles of the horoscope is radically altered by using the sidereal calculation of the positions rather than the tropical.
	stevebohlert.com /Astrologer.htm (844 words)

	Zodiacs - © Dr Shepherd Simpson
		The Sidereal Zodiac which is used in eastern or Vedic astrology.
		The Sidereal Zodiac is better - as its starting point is based on star positions of today not two thousand years ago - but it's still an over-simplification of the Real Solar Zodiac which contains thirteen signs which have unequal lengths.
		The reason for the existence of these two zodiacs is simply that the planets' [and the Moon's] orbits are a little tilted in comparison to the Earth's path around the Sun, so the planets pass through many more signs than the Sun does as seen from the viewpoint of Earth.
	www.geocities.com /astrologyzodiacs (373 words)

	Tropical Sidereal
		To transplant the tropical zodiac into their system and test it from there would not be an appropriate test at all.
		But if the Vedic tradition had used the tropical zodiac all along, i for one have no doubt that their system would be just as accurate, but it would probably be very different, since adjustments would have been made to fit their system around the new zodiac.
		If a Vedic practioner tests the tropical zodiac within their own system, and it doesn't work, that doesn't prove in any way that the tropical zodiac doesn't work as well as the sidereal zodiac.
	www.astrologyforthesoul.com /tropicalsiderealdebatesiderial.html (3207 words)

	Tropical and Sidereal Zodiac Systems
		The zodiac is divided in twelve equal parts of 30 degrees each along the Ecliptic, and the reference or the starting point of the zodiac is the Vernal Equinox.
		A zodiac system that bases its reference point to the Vernal Equinox is called the tropical or moving zodiac system.
		In other words, the astrological characteristics of a particular location in the zodiac should always be the same since those are defined in relation to the zodiac's specific orientation in the celestial sphere containing the fixed stars.
	www.boloji.com /astro/00322.htm (1410 words)

	Thelemapedia: The Encyclopedia of Thelema & Magick \| Zodiac
		Because it is tied to the seasons rather than the stars, the conventional Western zodiac is also called the "tropical" zodiac (the sun moves between the Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn at the equinoces).
		Unlike in the tropical zodiac, in the sideral zodiac the vernal point moves from sign to sign as precession occurs; currently it is in the westernmost part of sidereal Pisces, and moving steadily further westward.
		In about three and a half centuries, it will cross into sidereal Aquarius; this is what is meant by the "Age of Aquarius", and incidentally why we are said to be in "the dawning" of that age rather than the age itself.
	www.thelemapedia.org /index.php/Zodiac (557 words)

	Zodiac (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-08-30)
		The key disadvantage of a zodiac system of coordinates will manifest as a problem, if the nodal stars that serve as its fixed reference points for the system exhibit significant proper motion so that within the system of coordinates every other star appears to move dramatically in unison.
		There is also a Chinese lunar zodiac comprised of twenty-eight lunar "mansions", each corresponding to a Chinese constellation.
		Note the ecliptic passes through a thirteenth constellation (or more depending upon the arbitrary opinions of astronomers of any given century), Ophiuchus (the serpent), as already recognized in Ptolemy's Almagest (Ptolemy 1998), without there being any sign corresponding to Ophiuchus (since zodiac signs are zodiac signs and constellations are constellations).
	hometown.aol.de /exclusivesite1/zodiac.html (3703 words)

	ARHAT: On the Invariance of the Tropical Zodiac
		While it is tempting to assume that what we have here is measure of the vernal point in terms of a sidereal zodiac, the problem is that scholars do not agree that this vernal point was regarded as moving.
		This is apparently a later measurement of the vernal point in the sidereal zodiac.
		This clearly indicates that these astrologers did not have a clear idea of the distinction between sidereal and tropical zodiacs, or that they did not consider the distinction to be important, not a remarkable position given the fact the two zodiacs did nearly coincide at the time.
	www.robhand.com /tropzo.htm (5141 words)

	Sun signs by Sidereal zodiac and Tropical zodiac dates
		The Sidereal zodiac is a physical reality depicting commonly acknowledged pictures made up of groups of stars used by astronomers, Vedic and Sidereal astrologers.
		Most people in the Western Hemisphere think of their astrological signs based on the Tropical zodiac, which is a math-only based system of division with the zero point starting at the Vernal Equinox.
		Sidereal Astrologers use the physical Zodiac which consists of 12 constellations.
	www.mybirthchart.com /signs.aspx (687 words)

	Polarity and Signs of the Zodiac
		In the Tropical zodiac the odd (male) signs generally have a better reputation than the even (female) signs, simply because the male signs appear to be more friendly and outgoing.
		Perhaps the most difficult adjustment for any tropical astrologer who wants to try out the sidereal zodiac is the mental transition to a completely new concept of polarity.
		Sidereally we’re talking about Aries, a sign traditionally ruled by Mars, and also a sign where the Sun is exalted.
	www.snowcrest.net /sunrise/amalefe2.htm (2044 words)

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