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	The Internet Classics Archive \| Phaedo by Plato
		O my dear Simmias, is there not one true coin for which all things ought to exchange?-and that is wisdom; and only in exchange for this, and in company with this, is anything truly bought or sold, whether courage or temperance or justice.
		Very true, Simmias, said Cebes; that our soul existed before we were born was the first half of the argument, and this appears to have been proven; that the soul will exist after death as well as before birth is the other half of which the proof is still wanting, and has to be supplied.
		Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates, that doubts did arise in our minds, and each of us was urging and inciting the other to put the question which he wanted to have answered and which neither of us liked to ask, fearing that our importunity might be troublesome under present circumstances.
	classics.mit.edu /Plato/phaedo.html (8586 words)

	Phædo. Paras. 1-99. Plato. 1909-14. The Apology, Phædo and Crito. The Harvard Classics
		Simmias said: What a message for such a man! having been a frequent companion of his I should say that, as far as I know him, he will never take your advice unless he is obliged.
		And they are right, Simmias, in saying this, with the exception of the words “They have found them out”; for they have not found out what is the nature of this death which the true philosopher desires, or how he deserves or desires death.
		Whereas, Simmias, the rest of the world are of opinion that a life which has no bodily pleasures and no part in them is not worth having; but that he who thinks nothing of bodily pleasures is almost as though he were dead.
	www.bartleby.com /2/1/31.html (3068 words)

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		Simmias, if I remember rightly, has fears and misgivings whether the soul, being in the form of harmony, although a fairer and diviner thing than the body, may not perish first.
		For when Simmias mentioned his objection, I quite imagined that no answer could be given to him, and therefore I was surprised at finding that his argument could not sustain the first onset of yours; and not impossibly the other, whom you call Cadmus, may share a similar fate.
		And therefore Simmias is said to be great, and is also said to be small, because he is in a mean between them, exceeding the smallness of the one by his greatness, and allowing the greatness of the other to exceed his smallness.
	www.constitution.org /pla/phaedo.txt (14980 words)

	Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology, page 827 (v. 3) (Site not responding. Last check: )
		The two brothers are the principal speakers, besides Socrates himself, in the Phaedon; and the skill with which they argue, and the respect and affection with which Socrates treats them, prove the high place they held among his disciples, not only in the judgment of Plato,.but in the general opinion.
		Two epitaphs on Sophocles, in the Greek Anthology, are ascribed to Simmias of Thebes in the Palatine Codex (Brtinck, Anal.
		As an epigrammatist, Simmias had a place in the Garland of Meleager, and the Greek Anthology contains six epigrams ascribed to him, besides three short poems of that fantastic species called yriphi or carmina figurata, that is, pieces in which the lines are so arranged as to make the whole
	www.ancientlibrary.com /smith-bio/3161.html (984 words)

	Phaedo by Plato: Phaedo (cont'd)
		Never fear, Simmias and Cebes, that a soul which has been thus nurtured and has had these pursuits, will at her departure from the body be scattered and blown away by the winds and be nowhere and nothing.
		Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates, that doubts did arise in our minds, and each of us was urging and inciting the other to put the question which we wanted to have answered and which neither of us liked to ask, fearing that our importunity might be troublesome under present at such a time.
		Simmias, if I remember rightly, has fears and misgivings whether the soul, although a fairer and diviner thing than the body, being as she is in the form of harmony, may not perish first.
	www.online-literature.com /plato/phaedo/3 (5375 words)

	Plato's Phaedo - ReligionFacts
		O my dear Simmias, is there not one true coin for which all things ought to exchange?-and that is wisdom; and only in exchange for this, and in company with this, is anything truly bought or sold, whether courage or temperance or justice.
		Very true, Simmias, said Cebes; that our soul existed before we were born was the first half of the argument, and this appears to have been proven; that the soul will exist after death as well as before birth is the other half of which the proof is still wanting, and has to be supplied.
		Simmias said: I must confess, Socrates, that doubts did arise in our minds, and each of us was urging and inciting the other to put the question which he wanted to have answered and which neither of us liked to ask, fearing that our importunity might be troublesome under present circumstances.
	www.religionfacts.com /greek_religion/library/plato_phaedo.htm (8895 words)

	DT Strain Philosophy: Simmias’ Harmony
		Following Argument #4, Simmias (a person with whom Socrates is conversing) offers a counter proposal for understanding the relationship of the mind to the body.
		These were people attempting to understand their world and they viewed the soul and the afterlife as much a part of nature as the seasons, fire, breath, democracy, or decay.
		Either Simmias’ argument, or the pre-existence of the soul, is invalid.
	dtstrainphilosophy.blogspot.com /2007/02/simmias-harmony.html (2728 words)

	Plato's dialogues - Plan of the Phaedo
		Yet, the history is the history of Socrates' logos, of the development of his mind and thoughts, whereas the lively myth is said to depict "the form of the earth (tèn idean tès gès)" (108e), a wording that cannot be fortuitous in such a context (5).
		If Socrates is about to depart, Simmias and Cebes are not, and they must go back in the cave, in the world, and spread the "idea of the earth" that Socrates has put in their minds.
		(3) For all practical purposes, Simmias' objection is overcome by 92c, when he admits that the principle of the soul-harmony is inconsistent with the "theory" of recollection, which seems more firmly established to him, and yet, we are only 33 lines into a discussion that keeps going for another 85 lines or so.
	plato-dialogues.org /tetra_4/phaedo/plan.htm (2257 words)

	Philosophy of Music: An Orphic Anthroposophy: Simmias' Lyre
		One of them is the concept of the soul as a harmony raised by Simmias of Thebes.
		Although he accepted Socrates' argument about the existence of the soul before its incarnation and the concept of knowledge as recollection, Simmias was still not convinced that the soul could survive the dissolution of the body.
		Simmias: "Suppose a person to use the same argument about harmony and the lyre — might he not say that harmony is a thing invisible, incorporeal, perfect, divine, existing in the lyre which is harmonized, but (86) that the lyre and the strings are matter and material, composite, earthy, and akin to mortality?
	orphicmagick.blogspot.com /2007/03/simmias-lyre.html (454 words)

	The Last Days of Socrates
		Simmias the Theban was a wealthy member of Socrates' close circle of friends.
		Originally a student of the Italian Pythagorean philosopher, Philolaus, he later became an associate of Socrates and was present on the day of his death.
		In it Simmias articulates the Pythagorean doctrine of the soul.
	socrates.clarke.edu /aplg0410.htm (85 words)

	Plato
		Simmias and Cebes, that I ought to be grieved at death, if I were not persuaded
		Simmias laughed and said: Though not in a laughing humor, I swear
		There is a virtue, Simmias, which is named courage.
	www.robertwaxman.com /id5.html (6706 words)

	Medieval Theories of Relations (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
		Thus, if Simmias is taller than Socrates, it is only Simmias's height that is identified with Simmias's tallness (and hence said to correspond to the concept ‘taller than’), whereas Socrates's height is identified with Socrates's shortness (and hence said to correspond to the concept ‘shorter than’).
		Thus, when Simmias is taller than Socrates, reductivists and non-reductivists are agreed that it is an accident of Simmias that directly corresponds to (or as they would prefer to say, is primarily signified by) the concept ‘taller than’, and an accident of Socrates that is primarily signified by the concept ‘shorter than’.
		Thus, when Simmias is taller than Socrates, there is one accident corresponding to the concept ‘taller than’ (namely, an accident of Simmias) and another accident corresponding to the concept ‘shorter than’ (namely, an accident of Socrates).
	plato.stanford.edu /entries/relations-medieval (15625 words)

	Plato: Phaedo
		But if, after having acquired, we have not forgotten that which we acquired, then we must always have been born with knowledge, and shall always continue to know as long as life lasts — for knowing is the acquiring and retaining knowledge and not forgetting.
		Then, Simmias, our souls must have existed before they were in the form of man — without bodies, and must have had intelligence.
		But that proof, Simmias and Cebes, has been already given, said Socrates, if you put the two arguments together — I mean this and the former one, in which we admitted that everything living is born of the dead.
	www.constitution.org /pla/phaedo.htm (13660 words)

	Platon: Widerlegung des Einwands des Simmias - Wiedererinnerungslehre
		Simmias, denke ich, ist ungewiß und fürchtet, die Seele möchte, obwohl etwas Göttlicheres
		— Und mir, sagte Simmias, geht es ebenso, und es sollte mich wundern, wenn ich jemals hierüber anders dächte.
		Einwand des Simmias: Seele als Harmonie und Stimmung des Leibes
	www.textlog.de /34716.html (716 words)

	Simmias's profile
		simmias has not posted any blog entries yet.
		simmias has not added any shows to his/her profile.
		About Me simmias has not written a profile yet.
	www.tv.com /users/simmias/profile.php (58 words)

	Plato's Phaedo
		And indeed, Simmias, they would speak the truth, except in asserting that they are not ignorant of it: for both the manner in which true philosopheers desire to die, and how they are worthy of death, is concealed from them.
		And to the many, O Simmias, it appears that he who accounts nothing of this kind pleasant, and who does not partake of them is not worthy to live; but that he nearly approaches to death who is not concerned about the pleasures which subsist through the body.
		But, O blessed Simmias, this is by no means the right road to virtue, to change pleasures for pleasures, pains for pains, fear for fear, and the greater for the lesser, like pieces of money: but that alone is the proper coin, I mean wisdom, for which all these ought to be changed.
	www.hermes-press.com /plato_table2.htm (4013 words)

	Theology WebSite: Electronic Texts: Plato's Phaedo (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Simmias is described in the Phaedrus as fonder of an argument than any man living; and Cebes, although finally persuaded by Socrates, is said to be the most incredulous of human beings.
		Whereas, Simmias, the rest of the world are of opinion that to him who has no sense of pleasure and no part in bodily pleasure, life is not worth having; and that he who is indifferent about them is as good as dead.
		O my blessed Simmias, is there not one true coin for which all things ought to be exchanged?--and that is wisdom; and only in exchange for this, and in company with this, is anything truly bought or sold, whether courage or temperance or justice.
	www.theologywebsite.com /etext/plato_phaedo.shtml (19085 words)

	Schiller Institute Translations—Mendelssohn's Phaedon, Or On The Death of Socrates
		Simmias said, I must confess, Socrates, we have objections, and long ago we pressed each other to propose them to you, as we wished to have them removed.
		Simmias was silent, and Cebes began to speak.
		You hasten towards me, my dear Simmias: we should not be able to remember nor reflect, compare nor think; nay, we should not be the same persons now which we were a moment before, if our ideas were divided into parts, and were not found somewhere in the closest and strictest connection together.
	www.schillerinstitute.org /transl/mend_phadn_cullen-2.html (7708 words)

	Plato's dialogues - Plan of the Phaedo
		Yet, the history is the history of Socrates' logos, of the development of his mind and thoughts, whereas the lively myth is said to depict "the form of the earth (tèn idean tès gès)" (108e), a wording that cannot be fortuitous in such a context (5).
		If Socrates is about to depart, Simmias and Cebes are not, and they must go back in the cave, in the world, and spread the "idea of the earth" that Socrates has put in their minds.
		(3) For all practical purposes, Simmias' objection is overcome by 92c, when he admits that the principle of the soul-harmony is inconsistent with the "theory" of recollection, which seems more firmly established to him, and yet, we are only 33 lines into a discussion that keeps going for another 85 lines or so.
	www.plato-dialogues.org /tetra_4/phaedo/plan.htm (2257 words)

	Phaedon
		Simmias admitted that our faculty of thought were necessarily either created for itself or produced from the composition and development of the body.
		But Simmias is frightened that our ability to perceive and think is possibly not a being created for itself, but rather, like harmony, health, or the life of plants and animals, the property of an artificially formed body; was it not this that concerned you?
		Necessarily one or the other, Simmias answered, and, as it seems to me, the first must be impossible since all conceptions and inclinations of our soul are so intimately joined and unified that they must necessarily be present somewhere undivided.
	www.shoahrose.com /phaedon.html (4401 words)

	PHIL 230 Handout 5: Socrates' Response to Simmias
		Recall Simmias' Objection: Perhaps the soul is analogous to the attunement or the harmony of a lyre.
		Though Simmias does not say so, it could be argued that the activities associated with the soul (or mind) --i.e., conscious activities such as desires, hopes, thoughts, and fears -- can be accounted for by the proper functioning of the brain.
		Simmias' lyre argument is plausibly interpreted as an example of Materialism.
	www.calpoly.edu /~jlynch/PHAEDO5.html (453 words)

	pothos.org - Sons (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Simmias, probably the second son (see Heckel, “Marshals”) only appears in Alexander’s history at Gaugamela, where he acted as taxiarch of the pezhetairoi battalion in place of Amyntas, who had been sent to Macedonia to collect reinforcements.
		If Attalus were fulfilling an important role in the hypaspists, it is reasonable that Simmias, as the second son, should take command — but I would suggest that he must have been a senior logarchos in the battalion prior to Gaugamela, in order to be known and respected enough to fill his brother’s shoes.
		As it was, it was Simmias’ battalion that failed to keep pace with that of Polyperchon, thus creating the gap which the Persians exploited, sending through a charge of Indian cavalry to harass Alexander’s ‘camp’.
	www.pothos.org /alexander.asp?paraID=77&keyword_id=7&title=Sons (847 words)

	AcademicDB - How does Socrates respond to the objections of Simmias in Phaedo?
		Simmias' objection is made in the prison cell as Socrates is preparing for his imminent death.
		They choose not to wholly accept Socrates' ideas, and Simmias in particular puts forward his own ideas, namely the theory of attunement.
		Simmias considers that during our lifetime, we must constantly strive to achieve some sort of certainty, and that this certainty might only be achieved by exploring and exhausting every eventuality that might lead us to the Truth.
	www.academicdb.com /does_socrates_respond_the_objections_simmias_phae_12568 (287 words)

	John Burnet, Early Greek Philosophy
		Lysis remained at Thebes, where Simmias and Kebes had heard Philolaos, while the remnant of the Pythagorean school of Rhegion settled at Phleious.
		Xenophilos was the teacher of Aristoxenos, and lived in perfect health at Athens to the age of a hundred and five.
		Simmias and Kebes were a little younger than Plato and he could hardly have ventured to introduce them as disciples of Sokrates if they had not in fact been so.
	www.classicpersuasion.org /pw/burnet/egp.htm?pleaseget=138 (1219 words)

	PHAEDO
		Socrates, Apollodorus, Simmias, Cebes, Crito and an Attendant of the Prison.
		My words, too, are only an echo; but there is no reason why I should not repeat what I have heard: and indeed, as I am going to another place, it is very meet for me to be thinking and talking of the nature of the pilgrimage which I am about to make.
		And certainly, added Simmias, the objection which he is now making does appear to me to have some force.
	www.southerncrossreview.org /31/phaedo2.htm (2014 words)

	SparkNotes: Phaedo: 88c - 95a
		Phaedo recounts that he and the other spectators in the room became very depressed upon hearing Simmias' and Cebes' objections, feeling that Socrates' theories were now very much in doubt.
		Echecrates expresses sympathy, explaining that Simmias' theory that the soul is some sort of attunement has always attracted him.
		Simmias' objection is derived from the Argument from Affinity, but this, it seems, cannot stand up to the Theory of Recollection.
	www.sparknotes.com /philosophy/phaedo/section8.rhtml (929 words)

	SparkNotes: Phaedo: 84c - 88b
		Simmias suggests an analogy between the relationship between the soul and the body on the one hand, and the relationship between the attunement of the strings of a musical instrument and the instrument itself on the other hand.
		Unlike Simmias, he can believe that the soul survives the death of the body, but he does not take this in itself as evidence that it is eternal.
		For Simmias, the soul is not a distinct entity so much as the force by which all the parts of the body are held together and through which all the parts of the body are related.
	www.sparknotes.com /philosophy/phaedo/section7.rhtml (1108 words)

	Commercial refile
		"The tall wild-pear of Simmias" is in the /Garland/ of Palatine Anthology are headed "Simmias of Thebes." This would be the /Phaedo/.
		But these epigrams are undoubtedly of the Alexandrian type, mistake.
		Simmias is also the reputed author of several of the of the most brilliant authors of the period.
	www.wordlookup.net /co/commercial-refile.html (236 words)

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