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	Historicity of Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		The historicity of Jesus (i.e., his existence as an actual historical figure), is accepted as a theological axiom by three world religions, Christianity, Islam and the Bahá'í Faith, based on their respective scriptures.
		Jesus is also a large factor in New Testament apocrypha, works that some early Christians, notably in the Council of Laodicea, chose to exclude from the canon, based on judgments regarding whether or not they were inspired by God.
		The absence of any mention of Jesus by writers such as Philo, Seneca the Elder, and Plutarch seems to indicate that if Jesus had existed, he must have been a relatively minor figure since these writers mention many people who are of much lesser historical significance.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Suetonius_on_Jesus (5119 words)

	Suetonius (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-21)
		Suetonius was an administrator working as a secretary to the emperor Hadrian, prior to his disemployment by Hadrian.
		Suetonius was also rather fond of alleged lewd details from the Lives of those about whom he wrote.
		In very few cases did Suetonius cite his sources; one such example is when he was accentuating the fact that Caesar Augustuss detractors were often his enemies, such as Mark Antony, who is cited as a dubious source for some negative rumors regarding Caesar Augustus in the fourth chapter of Suetoniuss biography thereof.
	suetonius.area51.ipupdater.com (320 words)

	Resurrection of Jesus (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-21)
		Suetonius also mentions a rebel named "Chrestus" [sic], who is frequently equated with Christ, but places him during Claudius' reign (see Suetonius on Jesus).
		This rejection of the essentially historical nature of the Resurrection of Jesus is one of the issues that have divided Orthodox Pauline Christians on the one side from Modernist Christianity, which denies that belief in historical factuality is defensible, but accepts that belief in the Resurrection is nevertheless essential to Christian faith.
		The Gospels state that the early witnesses to the empty tomb and the resurrected Jesus were women, whose testimony was not regarded as credible in the patriarchal Judaism of that period.
	resurrection-of-jesus.area51.ipupdater.com (3655 words)

	Sermon for this week at Life Bible (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-09-21)
		Suetonius was born about forty years after Jesus' death, and he was a Roman lawyer who served as a secretary to the Roman Emperor Hadrian.
		Suetonius calls Jesus an "instigator," which is a Latin term for a political troublemaker, someone who's a treat to the Roman government.
		Jesus was a miracle worker and teacher, was believed to be the Messiah, was crucified by Pilate, and was seen alive by his followers three days after his death.
	www.lbfchurch.com /Articles/jesus/exist.htm (4269 words)

	Nanochurch: Jesus & religion » You + I + Jesus = Nanochurch » How do we know what we know about Jesus?
		This is directly in contrast with Jesus Christ, the infallible Son of God, the man who turned water into wine, the man who walked on water, the man who could heal the sick and bring the dead to life with a single touch of his hand (or indeed, even his garment!).
		Even if Jesus was real (which I believe he was, I am however uncertain of his divinity), Christianity is dead unless he was the Son of God - Roman historians and Josephus neither mentioned, nor alluded to the fact that this “Christus” had supernatural powers.
		Jesus was a nobody in the world’s eyes throughout his lifetime, except maybe Public Enemy Number One, in the eyes of the establishment.
	soulcare.net /?p=722 (2583 words)

	So What About Jesus? So What about the historical Proof?
		The ancient historical record provides examples of writers, philosophers and historians who lived during or not long after the time Jesus is believed to have lived and who testify to the fact that he was a real person.
		Suetonius was a Roman historian and a court official in Emperor Hadrian’s government.
		If Jesus died sometime in the AD 30s, it is clear that Mark, Luke and Matthew wrote their Gospels within living memory of Jesus’ death.
	www.sowhataboutjesus.com /existed.php (1362 words)

	All About Archaeology & Is Jesus God?
		Eyewitness accounts of the risen Jesus and subsequent martyrdom are some of the most solid and attested facts of antiquity.
		The evidence for Jesus and His claim to be the Messiah.
		The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the impact of this glorious event.
	www.allaboutarchaeology.org /is-jesus-god-aaa-f737.htm (829 words)

	Josh McDowell's "Evidence" for Jesus -- Is It Reliable?
		Whereas the gospels tend to blame the Jews for Jesus' death, the Testimonium blames the Romans.
		Suetonius, the Roman historian and biographer formerly known as Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus, wrote several works, including his Lives of the Twelve Caesars, which is an account of the lives of the first twelve Roman emperors.
		Suetonius only says that Christians were punished, not that they were "put to death." Moreover, Suetonius does not say that the Christians were punished simply for being Christians; indeed, Suetonius does not specify their crime at all.
	www.infidels.org /library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/chap5.html (12756 words)

	Head To Christ -> The Evidence of Jesus
		The force of the reference to Thallus is that the circumstances of Jesus' death were known and discussed in the Imperial City as early as the middle of the first century.
		Caiaphas, who had Jesus crucified; Felix and Festus, under whose governorships the apostle Paul was arrested and before whom he spoke of Jesus; Jesus' brother, James; and John the Baptist.
		It is conclusive that there was a real Jesus, a man of outstanding character and of unique personality and ability, whose life and teaching truly "constitutes the most fascinating feature in the history of western man."15 We can be as certain of this fact as we can of any matter of history.
	www.headtochrist.com /board/index.php?showtopic=2191 (4029 words)

	The Real Jesus Christ
		Allegedly the life of Jesus and the Gospel are merely myths fabricated by the Church.
		If Jesus were a myth or His execution a hoax, Tacitus would have reported it as such.
		The claim that Jesus never existed and His life is a myth compromises the reliability of ancient history.
	users.binary.net /polycarp/jesus.html (979 words)

	Suetonius
		Suetonius was a secretary and historian to Hadrian, Emperor of Rome from 117 to 138 AD.
		This letter refers to Jesus as being the "wise king." The writer is obviously not a Christian because he places Jesus on an equal level with Socrates and Pythagoras.
		Without bias in his reference to Jesus and the church, this letter is a valuable historical reference regarding the historicity of Jesus.
	www.allaboutthejourney.org /suetonius.htm (475 words)

	All About Philosophy & Is Jesus God?
		Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, while Jews either see him as a blaspheming rebel or an exceptional rabbi elevated to deity by idolatrous Gentiles.
		Many Buddhists regard Jesus as a “bodhisattva” (a perfectly enlightened being who vows to help others), while there’s a Hindu tradition that Jesus was actually a guru who learned yogic meditation in India.
		The events surrounding the life of Jesus were not denied, but definitely verified in the Jewish tradition.
	www.allaboutphilosophy.org /is-jesus-god-aaph-999e.htm (871 words)

	Who Was Jesus--Prof. G. A. Wells
		Suetonius also mentions Nero’s persecution of Christians at Rome, but, as France notes, tells us nothing more than what we already know about this from Tacitus, and “nothing about Jesus himself” (p.
		In fact, however, Matthew, in a passage where he introduces Jesus to his readers, refers to him with these very words (1:16); and at John 4:25-26 Jesus claims to be the person who has just been referred to as “him called Christ”, so that Christian use of the phrase is well attested.
		Conzelmann’s article on Jesus in a standard religious encyclopaedia notes curtly that ‘Thallus cannot be considered as witnessing” to events in the life of Jesus.
	jeromekahn123.tripod.com /newtestament/id27.html (3001 words)

	Evidence For Jesus
		Specific sites of interest include the synagogue at Capernaum where Jesus cured a man with an unclean spirit and delivered the sermon on the bread of life, and the house of Peter where Jesus healed Peter's mother-in-law and others.
		The evidence for Jesus in the events leading to his crucifixion starts across the Kidron Valley from Jerusalem at the Mount of Olives.
		Elsewhere, we find more evidence for Jesus and the leaders presiding over his trial and crucifixion, including an inscription that mentions the Roman procurator of the time, Pontius Pilate, and the actual bones of the Jewish High Priest of the time, Caiaphas, preserved in an ornate ossuary (bone box).
	www.allaboutarchaeology.org /evidence-for-jesus.htm (690 words)

	Jesus did not exist
		Tacitus mentions a Jesus, but it is likely that after a century of Christian preaching Tacitus was just reacting to these rumours, or probably talking about one of the many other Messiah's of the time.
		All elements of Jesus' life such as the events around his birth and death and ministry were also said of other god-men of the time.
		In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula (the "Mythos," as mentioned above) revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.
	www.vexen.co.uk /religion/christianity_nojesus.html (1878 words)

	Jesus is YHWH?
		And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth.
		He notes that the fact that the Jesus coin was found in a dig in Tiberias indicates that the Crusaders continued going to Tiberias even in the Muslim period (the tenth century C.E.).
		Where Jesus is said to have healed the man 'blind from birth'.
	www.bcrevolution.ca /jesus_is_yhwh.htm (7094 words)

	Is Jesus God?
		But rather, the question is 'which is more probable?' Who you decide Jesus Christ is must not be an idle intellectual exercise.
		A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.
		He would either be a lunatic - on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg - or else he would be the Devil of Hell.
	www.allaboutthejourney.org /is-jesus-god-r.htm (540 words)

	All About Religion & Who is Jesus?
		Jesus merely applied a volitional force outside what we know as the natural laws within our four material dimensions.
		A court case model for testing the evidence of Jesus and His profound life on earth.
		Faith is not about turning off the brain and merely relying on the heart, or squashing reason in favor of emotion.
	www.allaboutreligion.org /who-is-jesus-aar-afb2.htm (834 words)

	TBK - Pliny, Tacitus and Suetonius: No Proof of Jesus
		In addition to the palpably bogus passage in the Antiquities of the Jews by Josephus called the "Testimonium Flavianum" is another of the pitiful "references" dutifully trotted out by apologists to prove the existence of Jesus Christ: To wit, a short passage in the works of the Roman historian Pliny the Younger.
		While proconsul of Bithynia, a province in the northwest of Asia Minor, Pliny purportedly wrote a letter in 110 CE to the Emperor Trajan requesting his assistance in determining the proper punishment for "Christiani" who were causing trouble and would not renounce "Christo" as their god or bow down to the image of the Emperor.
		In any event, the value of the Pliny letter as "evidence" of Christ's existence is worthless, as it makes no mention of "Jesus of Nazareth," nor does it refer to any event in his purported life.
	www.truthbeknown.com /pliny.htm (2561 words)

	Suetonius. Christ Myth Refuted. Did Jesus Exist? A Christian Response
		On the other hand, one oddball author suggested that the reference was to Jesus Himself - still alive, and visiting Rome in the 40s AD!] Mason [Maso.JosNT, 166], on the other hand, believes that the reference is to Jesus, but that Suetonius altered the name he heard to that of a common slave name.
		It may be that Suetonius wrongly presumed from one of his sources that Chrestus had at some time in the past personally delivered His message to Rome, and that is why he seems to indicate that Chrestus was directly behind the agitation.
		The only way to completely devalue the Suetonius reference is to say that it has nothing to do with Jesus, or with Christians, at all.
	www.tektonics.org /jesusexist/suey.html (635 words)

	Who Is Jesus Christ?
		He is God's only begotten son, yet He came from the throne of His Father to the womb of a woman.
		In Mathew 16:15, Jesus put it this way, 'But who do you say that I am?' One of His disciples, Simon Peter, replied: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.' Now it's your turn.
		Death of Jesus Christ - Is it meaningful to you?
	www.allaboutjesuschrist.org /who-is-jesus-christ.htm (362 words)

	I Don't Like Your Evidence
		Roman Catholic priest Enrico Righi is being sued by his childhood friend, Luigi Cascioli, because Righi had the ignorant audacity to claim that Jesus was, in fact, a historical figure, born to Mary and Joseph in Bethlehem.
		2 Jesus is no less real in their writings than Pontius Pilate, Tiberius, or King Herod, yet no one calls their existence into question.
		If I can’t use the NT to prove that Jesus was a historical figure, then the skeptic can’t use it to prove that he wasn’t.
	www.americanvision.org /articlearchive/01-25-06.asp (1154 words)

	BizzyBlog.com » Positivity: Historical Proof That Jesus Existed
		On this Good Friday, some non-believers make a point of ridiculing the life and death of Jesus Christ as a made-up fantasy.
		Just last week, NBC Dateline (HT NewsBusters via The Anchoress) gave airtime to a someone claiming that Jesus, though he did live here on Earth, did not die on the cross.
		So here’s a nice roundup of historians (besides the writers of the Gospels) who contemporaneously, or with access to recent (at the time) historical evidence, acknowledged His existence:
	www.bizzyblog.com /?p=1832 (630 words)

	Suetonius
		In The Life of Claudius 25.4, we find the statement, "As the Jews were making constant disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome."
		Suetonius also makes mention of Nero's persecution in 16.2: "Punishment by Nero was inflicted on the Christians, a class of men given to a new and mischievous superstition."
		Notably, unlike Tacitus, Suetonius does not associate this punishment with the fire that swept Rome.
	www.earlychristianwritings.com /suetonius.html (265 words)

	Historical Jesus - Reader comments at DanielPipes.org
		By the same token, if we admit that Jesus was a great man of history, as most of us certainly do, though we may not be aware of it, we have also admitted that the New Testament is historically reliable.
		It seems conclusive that a recognition of the greatness of Jesus is, at least to an appreciable degree, an admission of the historical reliability of the New Testament which tells us about him.
		This conclusion is of great practical value to those who would know whether the New Testament expresses an outdated sentiment or whether it is actually a historical revelation from God for the redemption of ruined humanity.
	www.danielpipes.org /comments/27898 (2991 words)

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