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  Theudas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Theudas is also the name of a follower of Paul of Tarsus, who taught Valentinius, for more information, see Theudas (teacher of Valentinius)
The difficulty is that the rising of Theudas is here given as before that of Judas of Galilee, which is itself dated to the time of the taxation (c.
Josephus, on the other hand, says that Theudas was 45 or 46, which is after Gamaliel is speaking, and long after Judas the Galilean.
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 JewishEncyclopedia.com - THEUDAS:   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Theudas was decapitated, and his head was carried to Jerusalem as a trophy of victory.
Theudas introduced into Rome the practise of eating on the eve of Passover a lamb prepared in accordance with the custom observed in Jerusalem with regard to the sacrificial lamb (Pes.
In the Talmud, Theudas is once erroneously mentioned in connection with Simeon ben Sheṭaḥ—a mistake which has been pointed out by Bacher.
www.jewishencyclopedia.com /view.jsp?artid=188&letter=T   (294 words)

  
 New Page 1
For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him; but he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and disappeared.
During the time when Fadus was procurator of Judea a certain enchanter named Theudas persuaded a great number of the people to take their belongings with them and follow him to the Jordan River.
Theudas was one of the many charismatic figures described by Josephus who gained large followings for short periods of time before succumbing to the forces of the procurator.
homepages.which.net /~radical.faith/background/josephus4.htm   (2912 words)

  
 Theudas   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Theudas (Thoo duhs) Personal name meaning, "gift of God." Between 44 and 46 CE, he claimed to be the Messiah.
They also took Theudas alive, cut off his head, and carried it to Jerusalem.
His followers were dispersed, and were no more heard of again.
www.guajara.com /wiki/en/wikipedia/t/th/theudas.html   (127 words)

  
 Acts 5:36 For before these days Theudas rose up, making himself
For before these days Theudas rose up, making himself out to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were dispersed, and came to nothing.
For before this there was Theudas, who said he was someone important, to whom about four hundred men gave their support: he was put to death, and his band was broken up and came to nothing.
For before these days rose Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to naught.
bible.cc /acts/5-36.htm   (341 words)

  
 Theudas   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Theudas was a Jewish revolutionary at around 42 AD.
Josephus records that in the reign of Claudius, twelve years after the death of Jesus, a commotion, started by a would-be-prophet Theudas, was cruelly suppressed.
This prophet had led a great crowd of people to the Jordan, which he promised to part the waters and for them to dry up by his mere word as a proof of his divine mission.
latter-rain.com /earlychurch/theud.htm   (160 words)

  
 NodetAbstract
The stories of Theudas and John the Baptist are embedded in the Joshua pattern.
While Cuspius Fadus was procurator of Judaea, a certain impostor (false prophet), named Theudas, persuaded a great part of the people to take up their possessions with them and to follow him to the Jordan river.
Theudas' plan was, no doubt, to perform a Passover rite after the crossing.
orion.mscc.huji.ac.il /symposiums/9th/papers/NodetAbstract.html   (7613 words)

  
 Barlaam and Ioasaph - CHAPTER XXXII.   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Again the king's son made answer, "Belike, Theudas, thou art the ass of the proverb, that heard but heeded not the harp; or rather the adder that stoppeth her ears, that she may not hear the voice of the charmers.
They were abominable in their error, more abominable in the absurdity of the objects that they chose to worship, until the Lord came, and of his tender mercy redeemed us that trust in him from this wicked and deadly error, and taught men the true knowledge of God.
When Theudas had been thus instructed, he went out immediately and gat him to his evil den, and took his magical books, and, because they were the beginnings of all evil, and the store- houses of devilish mysteries, burnt them with fire.
www.worldwideschool.org /library/books/relg/historygeography/BarlaamandIoasaph/chap33.html   (1325 words)

  
 Luke a First-Rate Historian?   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Another problem is that Luke had Gamaliel saying that the rebellion of Judas of Galilee happened after the uprising led by Theudas, but Josephus claimed the reverse.
Judas of Galilee preceded Theudas as a Messianic pretender.
DAVID CONKLIN It is suggested that based on the dissimilarities of the events (especially where Josephus says "a great part of the people" followed Theudas vs the only 400 in Luke)that they are referring to 2 separate events; which given the chronic turmoil in Palestine is quite likely.
www.errantyears.com /1998/jun98/003364.html   (271 words)

  
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Josephus described Theudas as a self-proclaimed prophet who deluded the majority of the masses" (four hundred men according to Acts) with his promise to divide the Jordan River upon command so that the people could cross with ease, thus repeating the miracle performed by Joshua.
The first on "Theudas" is unduly skeptical; the one on "Gamaliel" is unduly speculative.
Therefore, the reference by Gamaliel to the minor exploits of a Theudas was not necessarily historically illegitimate or confused.
www.christian-thinktank.com /qtheudy.html   (3760 words)

  
 Messianic claimants (09) Theudas   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
The main argument is that one of the messianic prophecies foretold that the Messiah and his followers were to his stay in the wilderness.
Theudas' claim to be able to divide the river is a clear allusion to Joshua 3.14-17, which has everything to do with the redemption of Israel.
Another argument is that the author of the Acts of the apostles mentions Theudas in a messianic context (quoted above).
www.livius.org /men-mh/messiah/messianic_claimants08.html   (199 words)

  
 Valentinius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There he may have heard the Christian philosopher Basilides and certainly became conversant with Hellenistic neo-Platonic philosophy and the culture of Hellenized Jews like the great Alexandrian Jewish allegorist and philosopher Philo Judaeus.
His Alexandrian followers claimed that Valentinus was a follower of Theudas, who was in turn a follower of St. Paul of Tarsus.
Valentinus claimed that Theudas imparted to him the secret wisdom that Paul had taught privately to his inner circle, which Paul publicly referred to in connection with his visionary encounter with the risen Christ (Romans 16:25; 1 Corinthians 2:7; 2 Corinthians 12:2-4; Acts 9:9-10), when he received the secret teaching from him.
en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Valentinius   (1721 words)

  
 Barlaam and Iasaph: Parts XXXI - XXXV
But the evil spirits, that had been sent out by Theudas for to attack the young saint, returned to him, and, lovers of leasing though they were, confessed their shameful defeat, for they bare visible tokens of their defeat, upon their evil countenance.
Then did Theudas ask for a meeting with his son; and on the morrow the king took him and went forth to visit the prince.
Theudas said unto him, "Behold, it is evident that our religion was instituted by many mighty wise men, and interpreters, marvellous in virtue and learning; and all the kings and rulers of the earth have received it as good and sure in every point.
sunsite.berkeley.edu /OMACL/Barlaam/parts31-35.html   (6541 words)

  
 New Testament Parallels to the Works of Josephus - Page Two
For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a number of men, about four hundred, joined him; but he wa killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and disappeared.
Furthermore, Gamaliel here states that Judas the Galilean arose after Theudas, in the time of the census; but this was in 6 CE.
As in the case of Theudas, Jesus' followers are confused with the deceivers who were seen as a threat to Rome.
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 The Seeking - God's Handwriting
One example of a change to the gospels is when the Acts of the Apostles mention the death of a man named Theudas in the trial of Peter (Acts 5:36).
Theudas was still alive and relatively unknown at the time of the trial, but had been executed by the time Acts was written.
It is probable that the name of some unknown insurrectionist was replaced by the name "Theudas" which was much better known.
sites.waldonet.net.mt /rcasha/scriptures.html   (1076 words)

  
 NPNF (V2-01) (iii.vii.xii)
The Theudas mentioned by Josephus arose in the time of Claudius; but the Theudas referred to by Gamaliel in the Acts must have lived many years before that.
He identifies the Theudas of Luke with the Theudas of Josephus,—an identification which is impossible, if both accounts are accepted as trustworthy.
He read, in the Acts, of Theudas; he read, in Josephus, of a similar character of the same name; he identified the two hastily, and without a thought of any chronological difficulty in the case.
www.ccel.org /ccel/schaff/npnf201.iii.vii.xii.html   (494 words)

  
 Demagogues & Despots
Now when (Cuspius) Fadus was administrator of Judea [45 CE], a certain sorcerer named Theudas urged a great part of the people to take their belongings with them and follow him to the Jordan River.
For he told them he was a prophet and that by his command he would divide the river and give them easy passage over it.
And they took Theudas himself alive and cut off his head and carried it to Jerusalem...
virtualreligion.net /iho/collapse.html   (1138 words)

  
 sciforums.com - The Apostolic succession
For some reason, though, when other groups, besides the orthodox, claim the same direct lineage of their teachings, their argument is discounted or ignored.
For example, the gnostic Valentinus was a disciple of Theudas, who was one of Paul's followers.
Also, the Apostatic Succession would require that Theudas be a bishop and Valentinus as well.
www.sciforums.com /showthread.php?t=38714   (2933 words)

  
 Letters and Responses
Theudas is #2333 and Gamaliel is #1059 in Strong’s Concordance.
Theudas was a leader against the Roman government which, like ours, was corrupt.
I do not know the hearts of David J. Smith or Theudas, but it appears that their gathering of people to themselves was not from God.
www.servantsnews.com /sn0107/letters.htm   (1031 words)

  
 Valentinus and the Valentinian Tradition   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Valentinus was born in Phrebonis in upper Egypt about 100 AD and educated in nearby Alexandria.
There he became a disciple of the Christian teacher Theudas who had been a disciple of Saint Paul.
He claimed that Theudas taught him secret wisdom that Paul had taught privately to his inner circle.
www.gnostique.net /Valentinus/Vwho.html   (238 words)

  
 Guidance From Gamaliel
This would place the activity of Theudas PRIOR to the year 6 A.D. (which was when Judas led his revolt).
Josephus documents this uprising of Theudas in his Antiquities of the Jews (book 20, chapter 5, section 1), an uprising which took place during the administration of Cuspius Fadus the procurator (44-46 A.D.).
"Theudas" was a fairly common name at that time, thus "the Theudas Gamaliel referred to may have been one of the many insurgent leaders who arose in Palestine at the time of Herod the Great's death in 4 B.C., and not the Theudas who led the Jewish uprising of A.D. The Expositor's Bible Commentary, vol.
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 NKJV | Acts 1:1 - 10:48
Gamaliel was given the honored title of "Rabban," meaning "Our Teacher." It is said in the Mishna-the commentary on the Torah, the first five books of the OT-that when Gamaliel died, "the glory of the Torah ceased, and purity and sanctity died out also." This is an impressive eulogy for a Jewish teacher.
A certain Theudas is mentioned by the Jewish historian Josephus, who places Theudas's revolt against Rome around &AD; 44.
Most likely, the revolution of Theudas that Gamaliel referred to took place before &AD; 6 and was led by a different Theudas than the person Josephus mentions in his history.
www.newkingjamesversion.com /books/acts5.html   (1676 words)

  
 Luke a First-Rate Historian?   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Judas of Galilee preceded Theudas as a Messianic
>Theudas vs the only 400 in Luke)that they are referring to 2 separate
There is good reason to suspect that Luke made an anachronistic boo-boo by having Gamaliel refer to an insurrection led by Theudas before the insurrection had actually occurred.
www.errantyears.com /1998/jun98/000041.html   (312 words)

  
 The Patriotist - Bob L'Aloge   (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-11-06)
Who was slain and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered and brought to nought.
It does refer us to the remark made by Gamaliel in Acts, which is where we find him spoken of, but says nothing about the person himself.
Josephus, the infidel Jewish historian, also speaks of a Theudas but Kerr thinks this must be another as "this occurred at a later date." {9}
www.patriotist.com /blarch/bl20030428.htm   (754 words)

  
 Rejection of Pascal's Wager: The Reliance of Luke-Acts on Josephus
By referring to the census, Luke was obviously alluding to the events in 6 CE and he had event this following the revolt by Theudas.
The explanation that there was another Theudas before Judas the Galilean is weak.
The similarities in usage of certain words in Josephus and Luke could not be attirbuted to chance.
www.geocities.com /paulntobin/lukejosephus.html   (2306 words)

  
 The Jewish diaspora: Rome
The Talmud mentions how a Theudas, the leader of the Roman community, refused to change the way the paschal lamb was butchered.
We may imagine that the above-mentioned Theudas was an archigerousiarch.
Although one inscription mentions a 'teacher of the Law' the 'new' title of rabbi or Greek/Latin equivalents are not attested in the catacomb inscriptions (nor is Theudas called 'rabbi' in the Talmud).
www.livius.org /di-dn/diaspora/rome.html   (2103 words)

  
 Theudas - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
Theudas is referred to by Gamaliel in his speech before the Sanhedrin, when he advised them as to the position they should adopt in regard to the apostles (Acts 5:36).
Of theories put forward in explanation of the apparent anachronism in Gameliels speech, the two most in favor are
(2) that the reference to Theudas in the narrative of Ac was inserted by a later reviser, whose historical knowledge was inaccurate (Weiss; compare also Knowling, The Expositor's Greek Testament, II, 157-59).
www.studylight.org /enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T8732   (170 words)

  
 28 October
Before the Crucifixion, there would be a need to distinguish him among the apostles from Judas Iscariot, and after the Crucifixion there would be an additional reason for being emphatic about the distinction.
"Thaddaeus" is possibly a variant of "Theudas," which in turn is perhaps used as a Greek equivalent of "Judas" (with the Hebrew Name of God replaced by the Greek "theos").
Since the Aramaic "thad" means "chest," we may suppose either that "Theudas" was re-Semiticized by a folk-etymology or that Judas received the nickname "Thaddeus" directly.
www.oremus.org /liturgy/etc/ktf/m10/h28.html   (693 words)

  
 Love The Lord Acts Lesson 12
Acts 5:36 "For before these days rose up Theudas, boasting himself to be somebody; to whom a number of men, about four hundred, joined themselves: who was slain; and all, as many as obeyed him, were scattered, and brought to nought." It is uncertain to me who Theudas was.
The only thing we know for sure is that he claimed to be a great prophet and convinced about 400 to follow him.
He was killed just like Theudas and his followers scattered.
www.lovethelord.com /books/acts/12.html   (1263 words)

  
 The Conflict with Judaism - The First Arrests
But the fact must be recognized that though the general statement as to Gamaliel’s position may be quite correct, the report of his speech cannot be regarded as entirely accurate.
20:5,1) gives an account of an insurgent leader named Theudas, who, in the reign of Claudius, a dozen years or more after the time to which Luke is referring, announced himself as a prophet and secured a great many followers, and was finally conquered and slain by the procurator Cuspius Fadus.
The accuracy of Josephus’ chronology at this point cannot be doubted, and it would seem therefore that the author of the Acts, unconscious of the anachronism involved, must have put into Gamaliel’s mouth words which he did not actually utter.
www.stpauls.net /Ecclesia/Apostolic/2.4.2.html   (740 words)

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