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	Seattle Catholic - Common Ground on the Catholic Crisis
		Traditionalists see the attitudes which today prompt priests and laity to transform the liturgy into their own personal performance, as merely the most recent manifestation of a desire which led reformers to significantly alter the Mass; conservatives see the two as conflicting trends — one of legitimate progress and the other, unwarranted destruction.
		Although a traditionalist case has never been stated as such (at least to my knowledge), the silver bullet to all citations of post-conciliar decline is presumed to be a similar pre-conciliar citation — be it a quote from Pius XII or a disturbing statistic from the 1950's.
		Traditionalists commonly take both John XXIII's claim that all prior teaching was to remain intact, and the repeatedly stated "pastoral" intention of the Council to indicate that the correct interpretation is that which is in conformity with previous teachings.
	www.seattlecatholic.com /article_20030404.html (6207 words)

	Catholic-Pages.com \| Discussion Forum - The definition of a Traditional Catholic (Site not responding. Last check: )
		The terms "traditionalist Catholic" and "Traditional Catholic" are used to refer to Roman Catholics who want to see the worship and customs of the general body of Roman Catholics return to those prevailing before the reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s.
		Traditionalist Catholics have in common a dedication to attending Mass celebrated in Latin in accordance with one of the editions of the Roman Missal published prior to the liturgical reform of 1969-1970 (see Tridentine Mass).
		Liberal: A Catholic who listens to the Magisterium of the Holy Roman Catholic Church under its leader, the Supreme Roman Pontiff (Pope) and dismisses as much or as little of that teaching that he doesn't want to believe because it conflicts with his limited worldview or his personal desires.
	www.catholic-pages.com /forum/topic.asp?topic_id=8750 (2666 words)

	Journal of Religion and Society
		To the extent that Gibson is a well-known traditionalist, and the son of an even better known traditionalist with bizarre and well-documented views, understanding traditionalism contributes indirectly to understanding Mel Gibson.
		Traditionalist Catholics believe only Catholics go to heaven (without every considering where that leaves Jesus the Jew); the contemporary Catholic Church believes, on the basis of what it considers the revelation of God, that God saves whom God saves.
		In the traditionalist doctrine, only the Catholic Church is authorized and equipped to interpret the true meaning of the biblical word of God, and that word of God is to be interpreted vi verborum, according to the words, that is, literally.
	moses.creighton.edu /JRS/2004/2004-6.html (2408 words)

	Roman Catholic Traditionalism?
		Traditionalists are factionalised and they have many harsh critics within the mainstream Church, as a result it can be very difficult to find straightforward unbiased information dealing with the movement as a whole.
		Officially-speaking the indult is merely a liturgical concession granted to certain Catholics who have a personal attachment to the old rite of Mass—it is in no way a license to reject or criticise the new Mass, Vatican II, or the various post-Vatican II changes in the Church.
		Under normal circumstances a Catholic diocese (or 'see') is said to be sede vacante when there is no resident bishop, which can be, e.g., when the local bishop has died and one is yet to be appointed; in such instances official diocesan correspondences carry the words sede vacante in place of the bishop's name.
	www.geocities.com /catholic_traditionalist (3485 words)

	Catholic Answers: Karl's E-Letter
		Her third section is titled "Catholics and Conspiracies." It first discusses the so-called "Judeo-Masonic conspiracy" but then discusses "the Cardinal Siri thesis," the claim that Giuseppe Siri was elected to the papacy twice but each time was forced by mysterious groups to relinquish the papal throne.
		EWTN--which is mentioned in passing as not as one of the groups profiled--is described as "a Catholic television station." This is wrong.
		SPLC claims that there are more than 100,000 Catholic Traditionalists in the U.S. and implies that most of them imbibe from the spring of anti-Semitism.
	www.catholic.com /newsletters/kke_070206.asp (1968 words)

	Traditionalist Catholic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		Traditionalist Catholics have in common a dedication to attending Mass celebrated (in Latin) in accordance with different editions of the Roman Missal published before the liturgical reform of 1969-1970 (see Tridentine Mass: Revision of the Roman Missal).
		Traditionalist Catholics believe that they are preserving Catholic orthodoxy by not accepting certain changes officially introduced since the Second Vatican Council, changes that the more extreme among them have described as amounting to "a veritable revolution".
		Traditionalists reply that their actions are not at all like those of liberal Catholics, because, instead of revolting against traditional teachings of the Church, they are merely trying to follow them.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Traditionalist_Catholic (3463 words)

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	hometown.aol.com /SalweenVal2760/traditionalist-catholic.html (818 words)

	Point of View, Traditional Catholic Reflections & Reports, Stephen Hand Editor TCRNews.com, (Site not responding. Last check: )
		What these traditionalists miss is the deeply personal and prudential nature of the judgment as to how intensely and absolutely one should embrace a particular traditionalist, historical and ecclesial narrative and practice, for such narratives are inherently fallible, and such practices are not morally obligatory; neither come with a magisterial mandate.
		Any Catholic is perfectly in his rights either to lessen or increase the vehemence of his loyalty to a particular, non-infallible, traditionalist polemic, strategy, or practice—including one’s attendance at the Tridentine Mass.
		Catholics must be especially alert to the unrecognized—because much more subtle—malignant effects of having been habituated into the gnostic "tradition" of anti-tradition, infecting both the post-conciliar Church and the culture at large.
	tcrnews2.com /Opinion07.html (2792 words)

	My <Second Catholic Conversion>: A Reductio ad Absurdum of So-Called Catholic <Traditionalism> (Site not responding. Last check: )
		As more and more Catholics are beginning to acknowledge that Pope John Paul II's pontificate has been at least a very mixed bag or even disastrous in some ways, Mark Shea appears to have shifted into "defend John Paul II at all costs" gear, regardless of extreme mental gymnastics he must undergo to do so.
		Now, however (I am happy to report), traditionalists are becoming much more consistent and adopting a thoroughgoing skepticism which is fit for the times and much-needed as a wake-up call to the deluded neo-Catholics, who defend the post-Vatican II novelty of regime in a trance-like stupor.
		We Catholic traditionalists are the small remnant who have kept the faith and True Tradition inviolate, while the neo-Catholic dupes and useful idiots are compromising it all around us.
	ic.net /~erasmus/RAZ210.HTM (4662 words)

	The Passion of The Christ : Mel Gibson : Apologetics Research Resources
		Traditionalist Catholicism was born as a reaction to the landmark Second Vatican Council of 1962-65, when the Roman Catholic Church attempted to make the religion more accessible.
		In the traditionalist Catholic world, there are no shades of gray in the issues of abortion and contraception, and women can't perform liturgical duties.
		The actor's father, Hutton Gibson, is a member of the traditionalist Catholic movement, which operates outside the Roman Catholic Church and embraces a 16th-century form of the religion that celebrates Tridentine (Latin) Mass and denies the legitimacy of all popes and church reforms since the start of the second Vatican Council, 1962-65.
	www.apologeticsindex.org /p22c.html (1312 words)

	Blogging the Catholic Church in the British Isles
		Possibly the biggest challenge would be the fact that a lot of Catholics probably don't know about the Church's Social Teaching, and some might even actively oppose it, knowingly or not.
		The Catholic Church in the UK is really numerically pretty big and could influence people a lot for the good, but the fact is we don't manifest much unity.
		That's my experience; the lack of a common Catholic culture in the UK, which would enhance and enliven and help to unite all the extant cultures, is just because we don't acknowledge and live our unity in Christ.
	catholicuk.blogspot.com (1738 words)

	Dr. John C. Rao: Can Traditionalists Learn From the Opera dei Congressi?
		American Catholics have long pointed to the growth of the Church in the United States as proof of the validity of the pluralist thesis, and they have worked politically to defend the blessings bestowed upon them by it.
		In consequence, Catholic political activity, even in countries which pay lip service to the importance of “God”, now amounts to the zealous protection of a “natural religion” and a private “freedom” over whose meaning believers have no control at all; one whose practical significance is exposed to constant violation and progressive reduction.
		Italian Catholics were, in short, being trained by this unique organization for the day when direct participation would once again became possible, and, one should also note, in how to use all moral opportunities to make that possibility come about more quickly.
	jcrao.freeshell.org /TraditionalistCongress (1853 words)

	Catholic Community Forum Discussion Groups - What Traditionalists mean by "Traditionalist" (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Every Traditionalist I know or know of agrees that doctrine develops, even the Traditionalists whom many adherents of neo-Catholicism call "integrists." If someone is an integirst if and only if he meets every requirement you stipulate in your definition of integrism, I've never met an integrist.
		A traditional catholic (doesn't matter if it's with a 't' or a 'T', as not all languages capitalize every noun or adjective), is a good catholic working for the revival of the old liturgy.
		But he is not a good catholic because of that, but because he is a loyal son of the Church and believes and acts like a catholic should.
	www.catholic-forum.com /forums/showthread.php?p=44652 (7219 words)

	Boston.com / News / Boston Globe / Magazine / The Crusaders
		He is not the mainstream, not even among the conservative Catholics who are waging their secular influence in a way they never have before, but he's the logical end to what they all believe.
		And conservative Catholics, for whom this pope is as big an icon as Vatican II was for an earlier generation, moved from having been opposed to the council and wary of the changes it had wrought to arguing that they were its truest heirs.
		Conservative Catholics, then, have begun to flex their muscles publicly as Catholics who are conservatives, and not vice versa.
	www.boston.com /news/globe/magazine/articles/2003/11/02/the_crusaders (4449 words)

	Who is a Roman Catholic?
		While Catholics often ridicule non-Catholics for denominational division, they are hypocritically silent and do their best to hide the frequent 'family conflicts', even wars going on between the various types of Catholics.
		Catholics regularly boast of their "unity" and hypocritically ridicule the remainder of Christendom for their "endless divisions", erroneously citing the existence of upward of 30,000 denominations (1).
		The Catholic concept of unity is more outward--all wearing the label of Catholic and to one degree or another acknowledging Rome and its religious hierarchy as the center of Catholicism.
	withchrist.org /catholic.htm (3077 words)

	Traditional Catholicism 101: A Brief Primer
		Traditionalists are not some "branch of the Church," or some "splinter group"; they are simply Catholics to whom the adjective "traditional" applies.
		Other traditionalists may attend Novus Ordo Masses out of their understanding of the requirements of obedience if the traditional Mass is unavailable in their area, while doing all in their power to find a traditional Mass.
		Traditional Catholics are a minority in the Church, and their demographics are hard to pin down, but their numbers are growing quickly with Catholics moving away from modernism, and with conversions from Protestantism and Orthodoxy.
	www.fisheaters.com /traditionalcatholicism.html (5370 words)

	Journal of Religion and Film: Sectarian Catholicism and Mel Gibson by Michael G. Lawler
		[6] A core doctrine of this hierarchical model of Church is the doctrine that the Roman Catholic Church is the one, true Church established by Jesus Christ on the foundation of Peter the Rock.
		[8] Another important corollary of the doctrine that the Roman Catholic Church is the one, true Church of Christ relates to sacred scripture and its interpretation, and is at the heart of both Gibson’s project and the reaction to it.
		[12] Another issue fueling both Catholic and Jewish concern about the visual presentation of Jesus passion and death in Gibson’s movie is that he is drawing his image-information not only from the passion narratives in the gospels but also from the visions of a nineteenth-century Augustinian nun, Anna Catherina Emmerich.
	www.unomaha.edu /jrf/2004Symposium/Lawler.htm (2586 words)

	Traditionalist Catholic priestly society (SSPX) well acquainted with new pope (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Catholics promise in confession to avoid the near occasion of sin which schismatic websites certainly are.
		You are not needed in the Roman Catholic Church.
		You are generally not wanted in the Roman Catholic Church except insofar as someone may suffer an overdose of charitable spirit towards those who showed no respect to JP II or his authority.
	www.freerepublic.com /focus/f-religion/1402725/posts (7355 words)

	CNS STORY: Pennsylvania bishop suppresses local traditionalist priestly society
		Priests who had left a schismatic traditionalist organization, the Society of St. Pius X, to return to the Catholic Church, established the Society of St. John in 1998.
		In his decree, dated Nov. 19 and published Nov. 25 in the diocesan newspaper, The Catholic Light, Bishop Martino said the society was being suppressed for several reasons.
		The suit was filed by the corporation formed in 2000 to establish a Catholic liberal arts college under society auspices, a project the society subsequently abandoned.
	www.catholicnews.com /data/stories/cns/0406581.htm (942 words)

	SPLCenter.org: The Dirty Dozen
		There are hundreds of traditionalist Catholic chapels around the United States that celebrate the Latin Tridentine Mass and dislike many of the liberalizing reforms enacted by the Second Vatican Council of the 1960s.
		What follows are profiles of 12 radical traditionalist groups in the U.S. that exhibit varying degrees of anti-Semitism, typically focusing in on conspiracy theories that accuse the Jews of corrupting the church and society.
		Catholic Apologetics International (CAI) was founded in 1993 by Robert Sungenis, a man who would develop into one of the most rabid and open anti-Semites in the entire radical traditionalist movement.
	www.splcenter.org /intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=720 (335 words)

	Catholic Traditionalist Movement, Inc.
		The regular and generous contributions to both the Catholic Traditionalist Movement and the Ave Maria Chapel by you and other members throughout the country and the world are greatly appreciated and have not gone unnoticed.
		Obviously the visibility of the Catholic Traditionalist movement has been lowered without the regular publications which Father publications which Father published and the selected interviews he would have given on current church topics.
		The focus therefore, of the Catholic Traditionalist Movement was directly linked to Father De Pauw, and the whether or not the focus in the future changes to the historical or not, depends on whether or not, we find an unquestionably validly ordained priest.
	www.latinmass-ctm.org /about/credit.htm (1304 words)

	Biblical Evidence for Catholicism
		So it is still attempting to create division in the Church and separate Catholic believers into a superior-subordinate relationship, with the "traditionalists" being the ones who "get it" and the "neo-Catholics" being dupes and fellow travellers of their liberal overlords in the lower hieracrchies of the Church.
		Catholic (in its deepest sense) means "orthodox", so to say that one is a "new Catholic" is to say that one espouses a "new kind of orthodoxy," which, of course, is a self-contradiction.
		The New Catholics who practice this new strain of Catholicism are distinguished by their seemingly inexhaustible willingness to defend, in the name of "obedience," every destructive innovation of the past 40 years, merely because some level of ecclesiastical authority has approved it.
	socrates58.blogspot.com /2005/04/traditionalist-pet-term-neo-catholic.html (6326 words)

	Amazon.com: The Smoke of Satan: Conservative and Traditionalist Dissent in Contemporary American Catholicism: Books: ... (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Catholics of the SSPX, SSPV, CMRI and so forth are as much involved and committed to upholding the Social Reign of Christ and fighting abortion and the overall "culture of death" as anyone in his "conservative" category.
		Many conservatives and traditionalists within the Catholic Church hold this document to be sacrosanct and see within the Second Vatican Council and the subsequent developments which have taken place within the church a direct contradiction to this traditional teaching and thus the heresy of modernism.
		Among traditionalists, conspiracy minded thinking is common place (with frequent mention to conspiracies of both freemasons and Jews, the traditional enemies of Christ and his church, as well as communists who are believed to have infiltrated the church and the Vatican).
	www.amazon.com /Smoke-Satan-Conservative-Traditionalist-Contemporary/dp/0801862655 (3898 words)

	Traditionalists (Site not responding. Last check: )
		Traditionalists are those who seek a solution to the problems in the Church outside of the Papacy
		Traditionalists agree on several propositions. These doctrines they hold in common, while holding wildly different view in regard to the current possessor of the Papacy.
		On December 26, 1983, David Bawden wrote these words as part of a letter to his friends, exposing the utter lack of jurisdiction of Traditionalist priests and bishops. This letter was sent to several Traditionalist priest and bishops, none of whom refuted the propositions set forth.
	www.vaticaninexile.com /Traditionalists/Traditionalists.html (768 words)

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