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	Logical Fallacy: Tu Quoque
		Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser.
		Bin Laden's response is not a good example of the tu quoque fallacy because he is speaking directly to the issue by first pointing out the petitio principii problem with the question that was posed to him.
		Tu quoque is only a fallacy when one uses it so as to divert attention from the issue at hand, or to avoid or fail to respond to an argument that non-fallaciously gave one the burden of proof.
	www.fallacyfiles.org /tuquoque.html (973 words)

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		-- securo igitur concludere licet dei quoque in ipso bono nec usquam alio sitam esse substantiam.
		accepisti, inquit, in fabulis lacessentes caelum Gigantas; sed illos quoque, uti condignum fuit, benigna fortitudo disposuit.
		deum quoque bonitatis gubernaculis uniuersitatem regere disputabas uolentiaque cuncta parere nec ullam mali esse naturam.
	etext.lib.virginia.edu /latin/boethius/boecons.html (14126 words)

	Tu Quoque (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		The Tu Quoque fallacy mimics the legitimate use of the principle of ethical symmetry.
		I note that many logicians consider the Tu Quoque fallacy to belong to the Ad Hominem category, and they include under it various examples that I consider to be examples of the Ad Hominem - Ex Concessis fallacy.
		According to the Oxford English Dictionary, the earliest use of the phrase "tu quoque" to identify a fallacious style of reasoning is Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton, in his 1838 novel Alice.
	www.cuyamaca.net /bruce.thompson/Fallacies/tuquoque.asp (460 words)

	Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		Ad hominem tu quoque (literally, "at the person, you too") could be called the "hypocrisy" argument.
		The tu quoque form is often a specific kind of the two wrongs make a right fallacy.
		This form of the argumentum ad hominem is a genetic fallacy and red herring, and is often but not necessarily an appeal to emotion.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Ad_hominem (1866 words)

	Pliny Minor
		Igitur quod temperamentum omnes in illo subito pietatis calore servavimus, hoc singuli quoque meditatique teneamus; sciamusque, nullum esse neque sincerius, neque acceptius genus gratiarum, quam quod illas acclamationes aemuletur, quae fingendi non habent tempus.
		Tu quidem, Caesar, illam exceptionem removisti, si modo filius in potestate patris fuisset: intuitus, opinor, vim legemque naturae, quae semper in ditione parentum esse liberos iussit, nec, uti inter pecudes, sic inter homines potestatem et imperium valentioribus dedit.
		Huius tu metum penitus sustulisti, contentus magnitudine, qua nulli magis caruerunt, quam qui sibi maiestatem vindicabant.
	www.freewebs.com /omniamundamundis/plin.htm (17893 words)

	Grotian Moment Blog \| Issue #20: Can the Defendants Raise the "Tu Quoque" Defense?
		"Tu Quoque," Latin for "you also," is a defense in which the defendant argues that since the other side committed the same crimes, it is not legitimate to prosecute the defendants of those crimes.
		The Tu Quoque defense is a cousin of the equitable "clean hands doctrine," which provides that one who comes to court for help must come with unsoiled hands.
		Tu quoque is illegitimate and inappropriate as a defense; the most recent international precedent says as much (even though the IHT is not bound by precedent).
	law.case.edu /saddamtrial/entry.asp?entry_id=34 (3495 words)

	Tu Quoque as ad Hominem - Notes on Logic: - by Lee Archie
		Since the contextual evidence indicates the two replies are intended to oppose the original arguments, the tu quoque's cited here may be considered fallacious appeals.
		Another variant of the tu quoque is discussed by Julian Baggini, the editor of The Philosophers' Magazine, in "Bad Moves: Tu quoque."
		Notice how not only is there a tu quoque present, but also there is a parting hint of the slippery slope fallacy.
	my.opera.com /philhelp/blog/2007/03/10/i-tu-quoque-i-as-i-ad-hominem-i (591 words)

	Tu Quoque - Logical Fallacies - The Adam Smith Institute (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		Tu quoque means 'you also,' and is committed when a case is undermined by the claim that its proponent is himself guilty of what he talks of.
		Another version of the tu quoque seeks to undermine what is being said by showing it to be inconsistent with the previous views of its proposer.
		The tu quoque is easy to use because everyone is inconsistent some of the time, and few people have a blameless past.
	www.adamsmith.org /logicalfallacies/000661.php (1163 words)

	Logical Fallacies .info - Fallacies of Presumption - Tu Quoque
		The tu quoque fallacy is committed when it is assumed that because someone else has done a thing there is nothing wrong with doing it.
		This argument commits the tu quoque fallacy because it assumes that if someone else does a thing then it’s okay for us to do it too.
		The representative of Manchester United’s argument was essentially this: “Other Premiership clubs charge more, therefore our ticket prices are justified.” This commits the tu quoque fallacy because it’s quite possible that all clubs, including Manchester United, overcharge for their tickets.
	www.logicalfallacies.info /tuquoque.html (314 words)

	Judicial Supplement 2 - The Prosecutor v. Zoran Kupreskic, Mirjan Kupreskic, Vlatko Kupreskic, Drago Josipovic, Dragan ...
		The Trial Chamber held that, in general, evidence of the good character of the accused prior to the commission of the alleged crimes rarely has probative value since by their very nature the alleged crimes may be committed by persons without a criminal record or history of violence.
		The defence of tu quoque concerns the allegation that the opposing party to the conflict committed similar atrocities and, in the case in point, also included the allegation that that party was responsible for the commencement of the said conflict.
		The Trial Chamber found, however, that evidence of events beyond the main geographical focus of the indictment may be admissible insofar as it is not repetitious and is duly circumscribed and intended to rebut the allegations, explain the behaviour of the accused or provide information concerning the organisation and activities of the armies involved.
	www.un.org /icty/Supplement/supp2-e/kup.htm (486 words)

	Bad Moves entry
		It is of the general type “tu quoque”: you’re another.
		The second problem with tu quoque is that it is not a means of identifying which principles and arguments are actually wrong.
		When we realise that there is a tu quoque response, it often feels as though we have found the magic bullet that will destroy our opponent’s position.
	www.butterfliesandwheels.com /badmovesprint.php?num=47 (667 words)

	The Tu Quoque Argument as a Defence
		Three plausible formulations of the argument: Tu quoque as a defence to the crime, a defence to prosecution, or a defence to punishment, 97
		tu quoque argument and its possible future application, 123
		tu quoque argument has an enduring appeal to the human conscience.
	www.sienhoyee.org /tuquoque.htm (165 words)

	USS Clueless - The truth is...
		The Truth Is that in the last two years one of the strongest currents in international diplomacy and rhetoric has been Tu Quoque.
		One example is the ongoing characterization of Israeli action against the Palestinians as "terrorism" by Arab leaders, so as to try to deflect attention from the fact that the Palestinian "freedom fighters" are the ones truly engaged in terrorist attacks.
		Tu Quoque is a really good defense against unpleasant and unanswerable questions, and the combination of trumpeting of Kerry's service and tempest-in-a-teapot attention paid to Bush's contemporary service in the Texas National Guard contains an element of Tu Quoque.
	denbeste.nu /cd_log_entries/2004/04/Thetruthis....shtml (3977 words)

	The NonSequitur » Tu quoque
		Just last week, we visited a piece, wherein one of their fellows leveled that most traveled of ad hominem attacks, the tu quoque at former VP Al Gore.
		Tu quoque - Ad Hominem - V.D.Hanson
		Unqualified Authority - Appeal to Ignorance - Begging the Question - Tu quoque - Robert Kagan - category miskake
	thenonsequitur.com /?cat=35 (256 words)

	quoque service (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		abscisis, quae hominum quoque possunt patere conspectibus, talique...
		Illum defendere, tueri, sua quoque fortia facta gloriae eius adsignare praecipuum sacramentum...
		tu lux vera oculis, lux quoque sensibus, 5 intus tu speculum, tu speculum foris; lumen quod famulans offero,...
	www.directory-of-services.net /q/quoque.service.htm (1362 words)

	Tertullian: Adversus Marcionem IV
		Sed agnorant substantiae auctorem suum, quae famulis quoque eius obaudire consueverant.
		Quodsi ideo et hic erravit quia et supra, ergo certus es in illum diem quoque nullam novam divinitatem a Christo revelatam, et usque adhuc non errasse Petrum, Christo usque adhuc nihil eiusmodi revelante, et tamdiu non alterius deputandum Christum quam creatoris, cuius omnem et hic ordinem expressit.
		Regnum dei neque novum neque inauditum sic quoque confirmavit, dum illud iubet annuntiari appropinquasse.
	www.thelatinlibrary.com /tertullian/tertullian.marcionem4.shtml (17768 words)

	Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
		Although clearly fallacious, tu quoque arguments play an important role in debate because they may help establish who has done a better job of debating (setting aside the issue of whether the proposition is true or not).
		In addition, it is not fallacious at all to point out that certain advantages or disadvantages may apply equally to both positions presented in a debate, and therefore they cannot provide a reason for favoring one position over the other (such disadvantages are referred to as "non-unique").
		In general, using tu quoque statements is a good way to assure that judges make decisions based only on factors that distinguish between the two sides.
	www.csun.edu /~dgw61315/fallacies.html (5262 words)

	Ad hominem tu quoque (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		Three traditionally identified varieties include ad hominem abusive, ad hominemcircumstantial, and ad hominem tu quoque.
		It occurs when a claim isdismissed either because it is inconsistent with other claims that the claimant is making or because it is inconsistent with theclaimant's actions.
		The argumentum ad hominem is a genetic fallacy and red herring, and is often but not necessarily an appeal to emotion.
	www.therfcc.org /ad-hominem-tu-quoque-25866.html (686 words)

	Consolatio Philosophiae (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		an uero tu pretiosam aestimas abituram felicitatem et cara tibi est fortuna praesens nec manendi fida et cum discesserit allatura maerorem?
		-- tum illa: et esset, inquit, infiniti stuporis omnibusque horribilius monstris si, uti tu aestimas, in tanti uelut patris familias dispositissima domo uilia uasa colerentur, pretiosa sordescerent.
		ipsi quoque improbi, si eis aliqua rimula uirtutem relictam fas esset aspicere uitiorumque sordes poenarum cruciatibus se deposituros uiderent, compensatione adipiscendae probitatis nec hos cruciatus esse ducerent defensorumque operam repudiarent ac se totos accusatoribus iudicibusque permitterent.
	ccat.sas.upenn.edu /jod/boethius/boecons.html (14709 words)

	tu quoque definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta
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	encarta.msn.com /encnet/features/dictionary/DictionaryResults.aspx?refid=1861722519 (82 words)

	tu quoque - OneLook Dictionary Search
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		tu quoque : The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language [ home, info ]
		Phrases that include tu quoque : ad hominem tu quoque
	www.onelook.com /cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bware/dofind.cgi?word=tu+quoque (183 words)

	Andrew Olmsted dot com: Tu Quoque!
		I read it when it was published and considered commenting, but decided against because, let's face it, trying to prove that one side of the traditional left/right political divide is meaner/nastier/less polite/worse dressed/etc. than the other is an exercise in futility.
		People who tend towards that side of the political spectrum will agree, while those on the other side will point to examples of the other side's excesses and note that however bad they are, the other side is worse (tu quoque).
		Granted, we cannot fall prey to the fallacy of the mean and assume that both sides are necessarily equally culpable, but trying to prove to someone on the right that the right is angrier than the left is a waste of time.
	andrewolmsted.com /archives/001172.html (776 words)

	Tu quoque - EvoWiki (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		This is a fallacy regardless of whether you really did it or not, but it helps if you really didn't do it.
		In that case, don't be sidetracked; deny it in a short sentence and point out that the tu quoque is a Red Herring to evade the accusation.
		They weaken your position since they leave you open to the tu quoque attack.
	wiki.cotch.net /index.php/You_Too_Fallacy (231 words)

	Do Atheists Bear a Burden of Proof?
		As I argue in my book God and the Burden of Proof, at best such arguments only serve to insulate theism from being proven irrational in certain ways.[5] That is, I argue that if atheists charge that theism is irrational, i.e.
		that belief in God entails a dereliction of epistemic duty, then the tu quoque arguments might have some point.
		For the sake of argument, suppose we concede the complete success of the tu quoque claim in God and Other Minds, i.e.
	www.infidels.org /library/modern/keith_parsons/mcinerny.html (2340 words)

	Fallacies [Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy] (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		Tu Quoque and Two Wrongs Make a Right are other types of the ad hominem fallacy.
		The fallacy of tu quoque is committed if we conclude that someone's argument not to perform some act must be faulty because the arguer himself or herself has performed it.
		Similarly, when we point out that the arguer doesn't practice what he preaches, we may be therefore suppose that there must be an error in the preaching, but we are reasoning fallaciously and creating a tu quoque.
	www.iep.utm.edu /f/fallacies.htm (13277 words)

	LIBER GENESIS - Nova Vulgata, Vetus Testamentum
		7 Accessit quoque Lia cum liberis suis et, cum similiter adorassent, extremi Ioseph et Rachel adoraverunt.
		29 Omnes opes eorum, parvulos quoque et uxores duxerunt captivas et diripuerunt omnia, quae in domibus erant.
		5 Accidit quoque ut visum somnium referret fratribus suis; quae causa maioris odii seminarium fuit.
	www.vatican.va /archive/bible/nova_vulgata/documents/nova-vulgata_vt_genesis_lt.html (20110 words)

	Blank Out Times: In Which Pooh asks Jay Currie "Cur Tu Me Vexas?" (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		" Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser.
		Stephen Harper and his incompetents in the CPC HQ have just handed Paul Martin the bigger and better Tu Quoque sheild against all criticisms about Liberals concerning Adscam and Gomery, than they could have ever devised for themselves.
		In light of that, I suppose it's not all that surprising that " Tu Quoque " arguments are about all the CPC bloggers really have left.
	blankouttimes.blogspot.com /2005/06/in-which-pooh-asks-jay-currie-cur-tu.html (2573 words)

	RE: Oops, look like DISCO gets caught (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-10)
		Tu quoque in this case simply means whatever ones problems with the Discovery Inst., their actions vis a vis publishing a law article have no logical bearing on the rightness or wrongness of what Judge Jones did.
		So "tu quoque" this is a fallacious argument (and doubly so since the antecedent is untrue):
		Apparently, "tu quoque" means, "I can criticise people I don't like for doing something, but if you criticise people for doing it, that's unreasonable."
	www.ibelieve.com /fb.aspx?m=1968918 (2944 words)

	Argumentum Ad Hominem
		The fallacy draws its appeal from the technique of "getting personal." The assumption is that what the locutor is saying is entirely or partially dictated by his character or special circumstances and so should be disregarded.
		The "tu quoque" or charging the locutor with "being just like the person" the locutor speaking about, is a narrower variety of this fallacy.
		In other words, rather than trying to disprove a remark about someone's character or circumstances, one accuses the locutor of having the same character or circumstances.
	philosophy.lander.edu /logic/person.html (540 words)

	Catallarchy » Tu Quoque
		Yes, yes, they concede, X is a grave evil, but there is only so much that they can do, there is so much else that needs doing, and they have to live their lives after all.
		The type of argument Will criticizes here is a logical fallacy, specifically Ad Hominem of the form Tu Quoque (or possibly Ex Concessis, depending upon the preferred definition).
		My actions may or may not reflect poorly on me – as Will notes, there are good pragmatic reasons for this approach – but they surely do not reflect poorly on the logical veracity of my arguments.
	catallarchy.net /blog/archives/2004/11/25/tu-quoque (734 words)

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