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  Logical Fallacy: Two Wrongs Make a Right
Often, the other wrong action is of the same type or committed by the accuser, in which case it is the subfallacy Tu Quoque.
Attempting to justify committing a wrong on the grounds that someone else is guilty of another wrong is clearly a Red Herring, because if this form of argument were cogent, one could justify anything―always assuming that there is another wrong to point to, which is a very safe assumption.
Two Wrongs Make a Right needs to be distinguished from retaliation or punishment, as it would not do to condemn these on logical grounds, though they may be morally objectionable.
www.fallacyfiles.org /twowrong.html   (574 words)

  
  Mission: Critical (Appeal to Common Practice)
Two wrongs make a right is a fallacy closely related to appeal to common practice.
Notice that "two wrongs" carries the implicit assumption that the action is wrong, but its commission is acceptable in the circumstances, while in "common practice" the suggestion is that a questionable action is made right by the frequency of its commission.
Even though the second wrong is purely theoretical here, and not even directed at you, this is still a case of the fallacy of two wrongs make a right.
www.sjsu.edu /depts/itl/graphics/adhom/practic.html   (1094 words)

  
 The Autonomist - Logic Fallacies
The pathetic fallacy is a subset of this fallacy.
This fallacy is sometime confused with the Two wrongs make a right fallacy.
Two wrongs make a right fallacy - (Revenge fallacy) Arguing that inflicting harm on an agent (person, institution, country) which is equal or similar to harm the agent itself inflicted, cancels or corrects that harm or is in some way beneficial.
theautonomist.com /aaphp/permanent/fallacies.php   (14595 words)

  
 Two wrongs make a right (fallacy) - Education - Information - Educational Resources - Encyclopedia - Music
Two wrongs make a right is a logical fallacy that occurs when it is assumed that if one wrong is committed, another second wrong will cancel it out.
Like many fallacies, it typically appears as the hidden major premise in an enthymeme — an unstated assumption which must be true for the premises to lead to the conclusion.
In this usage it may also be similar to the bandwagon fallacy (as an "appeal to popularity"); both are red herring fallacies.
www.music.us /education/T/Two-wrongs-make-a-right-(fallacy).htm   (494 words)

  
 Two Wrongs Do Not Make a Right
The first is that ‘two wrongs do not make a right’ and the second, the Muslims of today can not be held responsible for the acts of their ancestors.
If Duryodhana had committed a ‘wrong’ by depriving the Pandavas of their rights, by fair means or foul, according to the theory ‘two wrongs do not make a right’ it was ‘wrong’ for the Pandavas to wage a war to avenge the ‘wrong’ done to them.
An action to correct an earlier wrong is not a wrong; it is a right and if not exercised would throw the world in chaos.
www.kashmirherald.com /featuredarticle/twowrongs.html   (1308 words)

  
 Appeal to Pity, Appeal to the People,  Appeal Against the person
The fallacy always involves a threat by the arguer to the physical or psychological well-being of the listener or reader, who may be either a single person or a group of persons.
The fallacy of false dichotomy (otherwise called "false bifurcation" and the "either-or fallacy") is committed when one premise of an argument is an "either..or" (disjunctive) statement that presents two alternatives as if they were jointly exhaustive (i.e., as if no third alternative were possible).
The fallacious nature of false dichotomy lies in the attempt by the arguer to delude the reader or listener into thinking that the disjunctive premise presents jointly exhaustive alternatives and is therefore true by necessity.
www.lich-mc.com /vietnam/pity.htm   (2711 words)

  
 Fallacy: Two Wrongs Make a Right
Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person "justifies" an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of "reasoning":
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because an action that is wrong is wrong even if another person would also do it.
It should be noted that it can be the case that it is not wrong for A to do X to B if X is done to prevent B from doing X to A or if X is done in justified retribution.
www.nizkor.org /features/fallacies/two-wrongs-make-a-right.html   (357 words)

  
 Essential Logic
Although fallacies of relevance and fallacies of weak induction both have weak reasoning, the distinction between relevant and irrelevant premises is crucial for staying on track in criticizing arguments and focusing on what kind of evidence supports what kind of conclusion.
As the pace of life quickens, as opinions on right and wrong, true and false seem to multiply exponentially, as the amount of information available to us begins to feel like an enormous wave that will produce chaos and insecurity rather than organization and clarity, it is natural to seek shortcuts and secure foundations.
Make a case that Y is only tangentially related to X, that Y is not directly relevant to X, that although Y resembles X in some way, it would support another conclusion, but not X. Irrelevant reasons are often found where the politically volatile issue of jobs is discussed.
home.honolulu.hawaii.edu /~pine/Book2/chap4EL-2.html   (17330 words)

  
 Essential Logic   (Site not responding. Last check: )
Although fallacies of relevance and fallacies of weak induction both have weak reasoning, the distinction between relevant and irrelevant premises is crucial for staying on track in criticizing arguments and focusing on what kind of evidence supports what kind of conclusion.
If, between two allegedly similar actions, one is considered acceptable and the other is not, this may be unjust or hypocritical, but the bare fact of the apparent similarity does not justify the claim that the actions are really similar or why either is acceptable.
Make a case that Y is only tangentially related to X, that Y is not directly relevant to X, that although Y resembles X in some way, it would support another conclusion, but not X. Irrelevant reasons are often found where the politically volatile issue of jobs is discussed.
www.hcc.hawaii.edu /~pine/Book2/chap4EL-2.html   (17330 words)

  
 Fallacies of Weak Induction:  Appeal to Authority
However, there are some Vietnamese guys who do not make for their own, but attempt to attack the others with their false ideas, initiate the matter, and end their stupid works with uneducated, dirty, and cruel email.
The appeal to authority fallacy is a variety of the argument from authority and occurs when the cited authority or witness is not qualified or there is reason to believe that the person is mistaken, biased, or lying.
In attempting to make up one's mind on a difficult and complicated question, one may seek to be guided by the judgment of an acknowledged expert who has studied the matter thoroughly.
www.lich-mc.com /vietnam/fallacies.htm   (1990 words)

  
 Formal Argument
A statement such as “Most Bahamian men are unfaithful to their partners” is a fallacy (to make such a statement you would need to show concrete evidence that over 50% of Bahamian men are unfaithful).
This fallacy occurs when two events occurring in close proximity are assumed to be causally related.
Make sure that the similarities between two instances are more than superficially similar.
homepage.mac.com /nicob/cob/fallacies.html   (1375 words)

  
 Mission: Critical (Appeal to Common Practice)
In a fallacious appeal to common practice, the (alleged) fact that everyone is doing it is used as a justification for doing something of a questionable nature at best.
You consider the actions of your wife towards you as wrong, and that's your justification for committing your own wrongdoing, so fits the definition of the fallacy of two wrongs make a right.
There's nothing wrong in that." We might reject the evaluative claim that "there's nothing wrong in that," and therefore the argument with it, but if so the argument would merely be unsound, and not fallacious.
www2.sjsu.edu /depts/itl/graphics/adhom/practic.html   (1094 words)

  
 Hindu Unity - Links
If the Muslims of India are really committed to the concept of secularism and freedom of religion, they should boycott the pilgrimage to Haj as long as Saudi Arabia does not subscribe to the principle of secularism and freedom of religion and open their country to temples and churches and synagogues and gurudwaras.
The second largest Muslim population in the world can make a very strong statement of their commitment to secularism and freedom of religion and challenge the very foundations of hatred and bigotry in the world.
In concluding, yes, I agree 'two wrongs do not make a right' but an action to correct a previous 'wrong' is not a 'wrong'; it is a 'right'.
www.hinduunity.org /articles/bharathistory/twowrongs.html   (1995 words)

  
 Fallacies
In order to understand what a fallacy is, one must understand what an argument is. Very briefly, an argument consists of one or more premises and one conclusion.
To be more specific, a fallacy is an "argument" in which the premises given for the conclusion do not provide the needed degree of support.
A deductive fallacy is a deductive argument that is invalid (it is such that it could have all true premises and still have a false conclusion).
www.nizkor.org /features/fallacies   (524 words)

  
 Two Wrongs Make a Right
Two Wrongs Make a Right is a fallacy in which a person “justifies” an action against a person by asserting that the person would do the same thing to him/her, when the action is not necessary to prevent B from doing X to A. This fallacy has the following pattern of “reasoning”:
This sort of “reasoning” is fallacious because an action that is wrong is wrong even if another person would also do it.
It should be noted that it can be the case that it is not wrong for A to do X to B if X is done to prevent B from doing X to A or if X is done in justified retribution.
www.opifexphoenix.com /reasoning/fallacies/twowrongs.htm   (347 words)

  
 A response to Ashby Camp's "Critique"
Since he makes no attempt to meet that burden but rather repeatedly disavows the relevance of any particular mechanism of modification, I assume he did not intend to specify accumulated observable variation as the mechanism of macroevolution, despite what his definitions may suggest.
For making the obvious point that assumptions are adjusted to accommodate discordant data, Dr. Theobald falsely accuses me of slandering biologists with the charge that they "unethically manipulate their data to result in a predetermined outcome" (emphasis supplied [by Camp]).
Camp's question is an overt use of the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy (very similar to "tu quoque").
www.talkorigins.org /faqs/comdesc/camp.html   (17186 words)

  
 overview by monstermunch (on reddit.com)
It would be like someone making batches of vitamin C pills and fish oil pills and telling you the only way to tell them apart is by labelling them correctly when they were made.
The general theme is that the government and the FDA have a conspiracy to steal your money and make you sick, anything natural is better for you than drugs etc. I have a hard time taking this article seriously when the site appears anti-science like this.
If a drug makes you live longer, it really doesn't matter what the side-effects are (unless they're so bad it's not worth living, which is rare).
reddit.com /user/monstermunch/?s=highscore   (2683 words)

  
 Stoneforest.org
One is appeal to tradition and its fallacy is using the past to justify a claim at present.
The fallacy of Two Wrongs Make a Right is an argument that attempts to justify what is wrong by appealing to other same instances.
Making such a comment does show Mr Sidwell’s knowledge of historical and current affairs leave a lot to be desired.
www.stoneforest.org /critical.html   (11231 words)

  
 Body
Emile: The difference is, that in the autistic model, the protective intervention does not come from a sense of judgement of 'right' or 'wrong', a binary-absolutist perspective which puts a very different spin on follow-through actions.
The redman's idea of stewarding land for our and all of nature's descendants would seem to make a great deal of sense, and opens up the notion of sharing beyond the anthropocentrism of the west, where all is seen to exist for the purpose of being divvyed up amongst men,...
According to Aart, the employment situation for teachers is already so difficult that one is hard pressed to remain on full employment, and there is a decided correlation between those who remain employed and their submissiveness to this ethnic purification program in the schools.
www.goodshare.org /humility.htm   (5100 words)

  
 Fallacies
The general idea behind this fallacy is that it is an error in reasoning to conclude that one thing causes another simply because the two are associated on a regular basis.
More formally, this fallacy is committed when it is concluded that A is the cause of B simply because they are associated on a regular basis.
The fallacy occurs when we misrepresent an opponent’s position to make it easier to attack, usually by distorting his or her views to ridiculous extremes.
www.siskiyous.edu /class/phil4online/fallacies.html   (2039 words)

  
 The Right Side Of The Road » Miami
Specifically, it seems the Colorado congressman may have been making an ethnic statement of sorts, comparing the population of Miami to that of a Third World country.
No wrongs have been righted or lessons instilled; a messy fracas has been swept under the nearest carpet and, with a wink and a nod, it is clear that external safety checks must be installed or the brutal underbelly of Miami football might sneak into the public spotlight once again.
The contrast could not be clearer: FIU is determined to make genuine amends for this fiasco; the University of Miami is determined to maintain its status quo with minimal casualties.
www.rightsideoftheroad.com /?cat=3   (3383 words)

  
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Wise people decided that instead of rioting, making revolutions and killing each other, it is better to vote every four years and let people choose their government, and change it if they don't like it after four years.
Truth is not just scientific 'truths' but rights and wrongs in terms of laws and values governing society, those are not determined by scientific research.
So although democracy is not about truth and falsehood, in democracy you have the chance to right the wrong and reach the truth while in dictatorship you don't have that chance.
www.faithfreedom.org /debates/YaminZakaria60506.htm   (1834 words)

  
 Polemic Hockey: March 2007
Just to clarify, I'm agnostic on whether "two wrongs can make a right." I think it depends on the situation, and relying on that like some sort of geometric postulate to prove a later theorem is a little, well, too simple.
Right, except the Union still has a duty to represent its current members.
Forget that Marty Brodeur is having the best season of his career, a true MVP season, and that the Devils as a team are succeeding with, what on paper, appears to be a very very thin scoring forward and defense corps.
hockey.polemicmag.net /2007_03_01_archive.html   (3828 words)

  
 onegoodmove: Israel's 'Friends'
To be fair he doesn't believe Israel does no wrong, but attempts to justify it with the others are worse argument, the Two wrongs make a right fallacy I attempted a couple of exchanges, but soon came to the conclusion that it was leading nowhere.
As a supporter of human rights, I do not recognise the right of Israels in their violent attempts to dislocate Arabs from palestinean lands, where they have dealt for thousands of years and whose ancestors were there way before the time of the Exodus.
The Palestinian right of return to Israel is the right of people who flee their homes in a time of war to be able to return there once hostilities have ceased.
onegoodmove.org /1gm/1gmarchive/2006/04/israels_friends.html   (12351 words)

  
 A List Of Fallacious Arguments
two wrongs make a right fallacy is related.
This is a variation of the Genetic Fallacy, but has the psychological appeal of seniority and tradition (or innovation).
This fallacy is a variant of the Argument From Age.
www.don-lindsay-archive.org /skeptic/arguments.html   (6778 words)

  
 overview by tony28 (on politics)
I think a really good idea on how to make a point to the government is to hold something very similar to the Ron Paul money-bomb but in this case everyone files for repatriation/ immigration North to Canada.
I bet most of them have got one of these and are absolutely devout in their overlord.
Hell maybe she even thinks what he's doing is right but you can't ask for her head because of ignorance.
politics.reddit.com /user/tony28   (1114 words)

  
 MIND Exchange
The fallacy in most of these is that they are loosely inductive arguments often used deductively.
If you make such a loose claim and don't back it up (which you can't because I use analogy and inductive argument appropriately) then that right there, in this very thread, you are guilty of the fallacy of hasty generalization.
And then, to top that off, you make the baseless (and refuted) claim that RK's use of "vibration" and "energy" to apply to all matter in the cosmos is "hippy drippy mysticism," when it is contained in the very core of modern physical theory with e=mc^2 and the "wave-nature" of matter/energy.
www.kurzweilai.net /mindx/show_thread.php?rootID=64437   (9239 words)

  
 PrairieStateBlue :: Revenge Politics: Two wrongs don't make a right.
Revenge Politics: Two wrongs don't make a right.
In the case of the GOP, it was the radical right.
But right now you are more into the present and future, and into getting Democrats elected in the delusional idea that that is going to really change things.
www.soapblox.net /chicago/showDiary.do?diaryId=1544   (4660 words)

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