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	brandan blog (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-02)
		Vaticinium ex eventu (Prophecy from the event) is a technical theology or historiography term referring to a prophecy written after the author already had information about the events he was foretelling.
		The Sibylline oracles are held to be vaticinia ex eventu written in imitation of the Roman Sibylline Books, from the later Hellenistic era to Late Antiquity, first by Jews of Alexandria and later by Christians throughout the Roman world.
		In Hinduism, the prophet Madhva made a vaticinium ex eventu in the thirteenth century when he applied a Vedic prophecy to himself, declaring himself to be an incarnation.
	brandan95b1.blogspot.com /2006/04/vaticinium-ex-eventuvaticinium-ex.html (380 words)

	vaticinium ex eventu (was: Child theme in Isaiah 6-12) (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-02)
		vaticinium ex eventu (was: Child theme in Isaiah 6-12)
		But do you mean that "vaticinium ex > >eventu" is just a matter of the reader's perceptions?
		On that definition, > >the Isaiah passage is "vaticinium ex eventu" to you but not to me, no > >argument.
	lists.ibiblio.org /pipermail/b-hebrew/2001-February/009754.html (240 words)

	Vaticinium ex eventu
		Ein vaticinium ex eventu (lat.: Weissagung vom Ereignis her) ist theologischer bzw.
		Jahrhundert ein vaticinium ex eventu indem er vedische Prophezeiung auf seine Person deutet und somit zur göttlichen Inkarnation deklariert.
		Das Buch Mormon enthält nach Ansicht von Nichtmormonen diverse ex eventu etwa über Christoph Kolumbus oder den Mormonengründer Joseph Smith Jr.
	www.uni-protokolle.de /Lexikon/Vaticinium_ex_eventu.html (195 words)

	Vaticinium ex eventu - infos.aus-germanien.de (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-02)
		Ein vaticinium ex eventu (lat.: Weissagung vom Ereignis her) ist ein theologischer bzw.
		Darüber, in welchem Ausmaß biblische Prophetien als vaticinia ex eventu zu deuten sind, besteht keine Einigkeit.
		Das Buch Mormon enthält nach Ansicht von Nichtmormonen diverse Vaticinia ex eventu, etwa über Christoph Kolumbus oder den Mormonengründer Joseph Smith Jr.
	infos.aus-germanien.de /Vaticinium_ex_eventu (215 words)

	Re: Nostradamus Caught With Rasputin (Vaticinium ex eventu )
		In Reply to: Nostradamus Caught With Rasputin (Vaticinium ex eventu) posted by John Locke, David Hume, Immanuel Kant, Gotthold Lessing, Gottlieb Fichte, and Georg Hegel.
		167 Celestine II (1143-1144) 1 Ex castro Tyberis (From a castle on the Tiber) Hist.: Born in Città di Castello, Umbria, on the shores of the Tiber.
		Antipope Victor IV (1159-1164) 6 Ex tetro carcere (Out of a harsh prison) He was Cardinal of the title of St. Nicholas at the Tullian prison.
	www.boardbot.com /boards/SPIRITLAND/98.html (6470 words)

	Postdiction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
		Postdiction, post-shadowing, retroactive clairvoyance, and prediction after the fact are terms used by critics to refer to those who use hindsight to claim to have predicted a significant event such as a plane crash or natural disaster.
		(Postdiction can also be used to refer to the scientific technique of retrodiction.) In religious contexts it is frequently referred to by the Latin term vaticinium ex eventu, or prophesy after the event.
		Through this term, critics claim that many biblical prophecies (and similar prophecies in other religions) that may appear to have come true were in fact written after the events supposedly predicted, or that their text or interpretation were modified after the event to fit the facts as they occurred.
	en.wikipedia.org /wiki/Vaticinium_ex_eventu (914 words)

	Comments
		Nostradamus perfected the art of linguistic sleight of hand, especially in very old forms of language.
		Not surprisingly, then, detractors see such 'edited' predictions as examples of vaticinium ex eventu, retroactive clairvoyance and selective thinking, which find non-existent patterns in ambiguous statements.
		Because of this, it has been claimed that Nostradamus is "100% accurate at predicting events after they happen", while the seer has acquired even more disrepute than he possibly deserves.
	my-haven.blogdrive.com /comments?id=90 (518 words)

	Nostradamus
		Nostradamus enthusiasts have credited him with predicting a copious number of events in world history, including the French Revolution, the atom bomb, the rise of Adolf Hitler and the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Center.
		Detractors, however, see such predictions as examples of vaticinium ex eventu, retroactive clairvoyance and selective thinking, which find non-existent patterns in ambiguous statements.
		Because of this, it has been claimed that Nostradamus is "100% accurate at predicting events after they happen".
	www.uforklarligt.dk /links/nostradamus.htm (657 words)

	Early Dating of the Gospels
		An amazing example of uncritical dogmatism in New Testament studies is the belief that the Synoptic Gospels should be dated after the Jewish War of AD 66-70 because they contain prophecies ex eventu of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in the year 70.
		But it does not explain the masculine singular (as a vaticinium ex eventu should require) and again it is too late for a pre-war flight, and perhaps for any.
		It is significant therefore that in 24.29, ‘the distress of those days’ (i.e., on the assumption of ex eventu prophecy, the Judean war) is to be followed ‘immediately’ (eutheos) by the coming of the Son of Man, whereas in Mark 13.24 it is promised vaguely ‘in those days, after that distress’.
	www.preventingtruthdecay.org /earlygosp.shtml (5942 words)

	Prophecy for Dummies!
		For this reason, a wholesale fabrication of an ex eventu prophecy is not recommended for beginners, whose fledgling career can be wrecked by its exposure.
		The second form of ex eventu, however, that of subsequently dressing up a legitimate prophecy that can be shown to exist, is perfectly safe for beginners, and still one of the best ways to add to your résumé later on.
		This is the second form of an ex eventu prophecy.
	winace.andkon.com /proph4dums (7512 words)

	ISMAILISME BOOK REVIEWS
		It follows, surely that since the scheme does not reflect history at all exactly, historical deductions cannot be made from it.
		But if we had to accept that there is in the Rasa'il a prediction of success for vaguely the first half of the tenth century, this would most easily be interpreted as a rather indifferent vaticinium ex eventu.
		The authors did not have to accept the Fatimids as the true Imams to consider their progress as a success for the Ismaili cause.
	ismaili.net /Source/0940.html (1264 words)

	RHPR 1999 tome 79 n° 1
		His victory is obtained through several important stages : From the door opened in heaven to the ultimate vision in which the Lamb has become the central important figure of the Revelation, fully united to God referred to by means of the throne.
		Otto Böcher, Das beglaubigende Vaticinium ex eventu als Strukturelement der Johannes-Apocalypse
		Dans la littérature apocalyptique du judaïsme ancien, le vaticinium ex eventu était généralement recherché.
	www.rhpr.net /art/1999_1.html (2168 words)

	Child theme in Isaiah 6-12 (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-02)
		But do you mean that "vaticinium ex >eventu" is just a matter of the reader's perceptions?
		On that definition, >the Isaiah passage is "vaticinium ex eventu" to you but not to me, no >argument.
		Whether tradition be based on events which actually happened or not is irrelevant for the tradition to be used as reality in ex eventu prophecy.
	lists.ibiblio.org /pipermail/b-hebrew/2001-February/009752.html (136 words)

	Gospel of Mark: A Commentary, The Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society - Find Articles
		Such thoughtfulness may expand the usefulness of the commentary to those who are not "biblical scholars." However, untranslated foreign language phrases (e.g.
		vaticinium ex eventu or ipsissima verba Jesu) may be discouraging to those readers unfamiliar with such phrases.
		There are a few places where I would question Moloney's reading of Mark's Gospel.
	www.findarticles.com /p/articles/mi_qa3817/is_200409/ai_n9440309 (912 words)

	Beowulf for HTML
		Thus in the vaticinium ex eventu (prophecy made after the event has already taken place) in 17:3-11, verse 10 predicts the short reign of Titus and verse 11 points to Domitian as the eighth king and as Nero redivivus.
		Domitian is also referred to in the description of the beast from the pit (11:7; 17:8) or from the sea (13:1-10, 18).
		qua resurget ex favilla Then from the ashes shall arise iudicandus homo reus; the guilty man to be judged.
	www.nd.edu /~zthundy/Beowulf.html (8169 words)

	Jesus' Understanding of His Death
		Cranfield, however, wisely cautions against judging Mark 10:32-34 to be ex eventu (St.
		Second, Cranfield observes that the details described in Mark 10:32-34 are not in the same order in which they occur in Mark's Passion Narrative; if the prediction in Mark 10:32-34 is a vaticinium ex eventu, one would expect perfect correspondence, extending even to the order of the events.
		As already indicated, that Jesus predicts accurately what the gentiles, i.e., the Romans, will do to him is not grounds for suspecting a vaticinium ex eventu, since this is the treatment that criminals sentenced to be crucified would typically have received.
	www.abu.nb.ca /Courses/NTIntro/LifeJ/DeathJes.htm (8109 words)

	The Problems of a Pre-70 Date of the Apocalypse
		Anyone who counters with the idea that the forty-two months is simply the symbolic number for the time of tribulation, the three and a half years, has another problem to deal with.
		First, Rev 11:1-2 is, as pointed out by Wilson (1993), most certainly not a vaticinium ex eventu — it is a genuine prophecy.
		And since this is a genuine prophecy — not a vaticinium ex eventu — I find no difficulties with the symbolic number of ‘forty-two months’.
	preteristarchive.com /CriticalArticles/nordgreen-otto_ca_01.html (5440 words)

	Nostradamus - The Mind-N-Magick Paganpedia
		On his return in 1545, he assisted the prominent physician Louis Serre in his fight against a major plague-outbreak in Marseille, and then tackled further outbreaks of disease on his own in Salon-de-Provence and in the regional capital, Aix-en-Provence.
		Between 1556 and 1567, Nostredame and his wife would in due course acquire a one-thirteenth share in a huge canal project organized by Adam de Craponne to irrigate largely waterless Salon and the nearby Désert de la Crau from the river Durance
		Such typical popular pieces of linguistic sleight of hand are particularly easy to carry out when the would-be commentator knows no French to start with, especially in its 16th-century form – to say nothing of French geography.
	paganpedia.mind-n-magick.com /wiki/index.php?title=Nostradamus (3757 words)

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		For this reason, neither prophets nor their listeners knew precisely what eventualities to expect.
		If this proposal is correct, it indicates that the emphasis of many contemporary interpreters is misplaced, and that we must find other hermeneutical interests in biblical prophecy.
		A prophecy that gives the impression of foreknowledge actually is vaticinium ex eventu.
	reformedperspectives.org /newfiles/ric_pratt/TH.Pratt.Historical_Contingencies.doc (9203 words)

	The Register (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-02)
		This process is what Stephen O'Leary recently called vaticinium ex eventu (prophesy after the fact) in the Daily Telegraph.
		Quite the most astounding piece of astrology regarding the WTC can be found at astrology-online.com.
		In the most audacious piece of vaticinium ex eventu to be found anywhere, these charlatans explain how they deduced the WTC's birthdate:
	aftermath.dyndns.org /usa/hoax/index.htm (1812 words)

	Biography - Nostradamus.org
		After their death he continued to travel, passing through France and possibly Italy.
		He settled down in 1547 in Salon-de-Provence, where he married a rich widow named Anne Ponsarde Gemelle and eventually had six children - three daughters and three sons.
		After a further visit to Italy, he began to move away from medicine and towards the occult.
	www.nostradamus.org /bio.php (2645 words)

	DmitryBrant.com » Fun With the Bible Code
		However, the irony grows even thicker because, like all Biblical prophecies, they are always discovered a little after the fact (vaticinium ex eventu).
		In about an hour of programming time, I developed a small Windows application that performs this exact function — search for hidden codes in the text of the Bible.
		If you fail, you can try the whole being dead scene since you’ll be welcomed by your supposed maker that you so fervently deny other entities around you just to love and eventually meet him anyway.
	dmitrybrant.com /fun-with-the-bible-code (1304 words)

	Crucifixion or Cruci-Fiction? - Page 64 (Site not responding. Last check: 2007-10-02)
		In his lifetime, not a word was written, nor did he instruct anyone to write a word!
		Taylor in his commentary on the Gospel of St. Mark, page 437, discounts the so-called prophecies regarding the "crucifixion" as vaticinium ex eventu meaning "prophecy after the event".
		That the Gospel writers fabricated words and sayings, and put them into the mouth of Jesus, as if he had foretold the happenings.
	www.ahmed-deedat.co.za /books/Books/coc/64.html (258 words)

	Catholicism Debate--Beliefnet.com
		As for the "prophecies refering to his death and ressurrection" [sic], it's important to keep in mind that these are contained in texts written after the death and resurrection took place.
		These could very easily be cases of vaticinium ex eventu, a prophecy created after the event.
		I would argue that, in fact, they were.
	www.beliefnet.com /boards/message_list.asp?pageID=24&discussionID=427315&messages_per_page=4 (1201 words)

	John A. T. Robinson - New Testament Redating (1976)
		Marxsen, writing from a very different standpoint, regards the phrase as a vague reference to the forthcoming destruction of the temple and is forthright in saying: 'From Mark's point of view, a vaticinium ex eventu is an impossibility.' [W. Marxsen, Mark the Evangelist, ET Nashville, Tenn., 1969, 170 (cf.
		And this conclusion is borne out in a further study by Sigfred Pedersen [S. Pedersen, 'Zum Problem der vaticinia ex eventu (eine Analyse von Mt 21.33-46 par; 22.1-10 par)',.ST19, 1965, 167-88.], who believes that this and the preceding parable of the wicked husbandmen are fundamentally shaped by material from the Old Testament, especially Jeremiah.
		The most he will say is that if Matthew is writing after 70, then we must see this as a contributory occasion for the addition (which of course no one would deny).
	www.preteristarchive.com /Books/1976_robinson_redating-testament.html (7674 words)

	Old Testament Survey
		Explain "messianic prophecy" as it relates to the person, office, and kingdom of the Messiah.
		Understand the meaning of the phrase "vaticinium ex eventu."
		Know how and why some scholars have assigned the book to two or more authors.
	www.thefishersofmenministries.com /tencommandments1.htm (2594 words)

	OJR article: Rumors of Grace and Terror
		The types of stories that spread in the wake of this catastrophe tell us something about what people wanted and needed to hear.
		The Nostradamus and Wingdings stories follow an ancient technique known as vaticinium ex eventu (prophecy after the fact): they provided proof that the attacks were predicted, foreordained, and therefore meaningful in some way.
		The stories of miraculous survival offer reassuring evidence of divine providence.
	www.ojr.org /ojr/ethics/1017782038.php (1248 words)

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